AI vs. Humanity: Why Real Coaches Will Always Bleed Truth

Welcome to the show. Tired of the hype about living a dream? It's time for truth.This is the place for tools, power and real talk so you can create the life you dream and deserve your ultimate life. Subscribe, share, create. You have infinite power.Hey there and welcome to this episode of youf Ultimate Life, the podcast that I created with lots of help to help people live their ultimate life. A life of purpose, prosperity and joy that you have ability and authority to create from your skills, gifts and life experience.Today I've got a couple of guests. This particular episode is one of the special Thursday episodes about coaching.And what we're going to explore here is we're going to explore the rise of AI, artificial intelligence and what it will or won't do to coaching and the experience that these two coaches have got. So Laurie and Tabitha, welcome to the show.

Thank you to be here.

You are both welcome and delightful. I know that both these women are coaches and coach different things and that doesn't really matter what they coach.So I'm not going to like direct this. It's just going to be some conversation. I'll ask a couple questions, get started and then we'll, we'll talk about it and go from there.So it's not formatted. Tabitha, I'm curious and I'll probably ask you this too, Lori. How do you use AI not just to find recipes. I'm saying that because my wife does that.Not just for that or to write emails, but how are you using one or other model of AI in your coaching right now?

Thank you so much for that question. The way that we use AI is really in automations, right? Because we have a coaching business.It has helped us to streamline some things that we would do normally on a regular basis, but we have been able to implement it.So it made life so much easier to have those repeatable processes now done through automation, using AI specifically to help us with some of the tasks that we've been doing. So it essentially has allowed us to get back some more hours in our day.

Do you find that lets you handle more clients? Or maybe that wasn't the objective. Maybe it's just to reduce the time involved. Do you find that it helps you that way?

Oh yeah, it absolutely allows us to service more clients because we don't when they sign up, like they take them through the onboarding process as well as the opportunity for them to send us some correspondence as well as people that may go to our website, excuse me, for example, it will allow them to be able to get some questions answered a lot quicker. So it's driven some efficiencies in the business for sure.

Cool. Lori. So I'm more curious about the same thing. Are you and if you are, how are you using? And I wasn't, I didn't ask any of this ahead of time.So listeners, I have no idea what they're doing with it or not doing. Lori, what's your relationship in the context of your business with AI?

I would say it's pretty intimate actually.The relationship that is I am using it for actually as a thought partner in developing proposals, in putting together programs and also in helping even sometimes even before a coaching call when I know that something is coming up. And so I'll, you know, explore different approaches.I've used it in also some for lead generation and also I'm exploring right now have a relationship with an AI company that is actually, it's called Piloteer and it actually is a way to give primarily mid market companies feedback to their staff or from their staff to their staffs as well as non biased feedback to the CEOs in such a way that this is not to eliminate coaching but to actually give an opportunity because they don't, you know, that particular platform doesn't provide like AI coaching but it does help provide the feedback and then the coaching becomes the piece that is delivering the models, the actual face to face, one on one coaching.

Cool.So if you look, if you look in the future like in writing the book Coaching in the Rise of AI, it took me about four months and first month or so was spent many, many hours a day just doing research and I analyzed a bunch of 11 coaching models that exist in the world. They're promised outcomes and you know, their vulnerabilities to AI in terms of what they do and what AI might do and so forth.And I noticed two things. One is I noticed in the four months it took me to write it, the skills and capability of AI doubled in that period of time.And what I also noticed is that lots of coaching models are very, very, very vulnerable to, to AI. At least that's how it occurred to me.And so the question for you guys is if you look in the future, three months, six months, a year, what do you think's gonna happen if anything? Maybe you think it's not a big deal, but what do you think's gonna happen in the coaching industry? And I don't care who talks first.

Yeah, I'll, I'll talk first.So I believe that the space of coaching is going to Change drastically from the standpoint of how much people rely on chat, GPT or, or one of the other coaching models primarily as a, as a thought partner. Right. Like as Lori was saying and I've seen where that has already started to happen.Like I believe the last time I looked at the stats it was like 71% of companies have implemented some sort of AI at least in one of their practices within their business.So the fact that companies are already moving at the speed of light with implementation coaching and clients the same, they're looking at it as their new Google. And so they're relying upon the information that's coming across. So there is a lot of legitimacy around it changing at the speed of light, literally.And so just from some of my clients I see them relying on it a lot more as well.

You know, it's a funny thing, Lori, I want you to think about that too.But the guy that wrote the forward for the book is a, is a hotshot coach and makes a lot of money and has been, has for a long time, is very successful and that's why I asked him to write the forward and he loved it. And he said one of the things he said in the forward was a funny story.He said he had an argument or some kind of a disagreement with his wife and they went to bed, you know, and the next morning she was all tuned up, no problem at all. And he asked what happened and she said oh, I had a conversation with Chad GPT and it coached me through.Yeah coached me through this thing and I'm all tuned up. And he's like boom.

Yeah that right.

And he told that story in the foreword as preface. So anyway, it just reminded me of that when you said that Tabitha.

Yeah.

So Laurie, what do you think?

Yeah, well, first of all, I appreciate Tabitha bringing the statistical analysis into the conversation. I think that's your gift, Tabitha. Something that I would rely on you and chat for.That being said, I kind of have like one of these forks in the road kind of when I think about the future is potentially it could go one way or the other. Right. And I do I will just give you some context around this.Developing a program that would specifically designed for Gen Z, doing a live version of it, but trying to figure out how to transition to an all self guided platform and in that exploration have run into opportunities where AI avatars can actually have group conversations and with sensing AI actually read the emotional tenancy, etc.All of that being said in the inquiry about actually developing this program, there's a Huge piece in there around psychological safety that I think is. You could look at it from, oh well, the bot is going to give me all the psychological safety I need.And case in point, when I was working with Piloteer, I got feedback from it and I was like, I'm so glad I got my feedback from it and not my husband. To your, to your story. Right. Because it would have been a completely different conversation.But all along the way, I do feel that as a somatic coach, we are, you know, we're flesh and blood and I think that they're much like, you know, Gen Z is putting their phones down now. You know, they don't want to bring the electronics into the space anymore. I would imagine that there would be some backlash from that.And you know, I think that you're seeing it now, you're seeing what will be exaggerated in the future.There'll be this clash of old versus new and there will be people who will always want to have the traditional face to face and community conversations, real time and the simulation of humanity as close as it is in a humanity. So, you know, I'm kind of. Is it wishful thinking? Maybe. But I think that, you know, it all depends upon who's in charge. Right.In terms of how this is all going to evolve both on earth and beyond. Right. In terms, in terms of destiny, of how we're going to shape, you know, how we choose to shape it rather than it shaping us.I think it's going to be a co creation.

So that's, that's fascinating. A couple of things that, that I notice is I'm really bold in the book and I'm going to probably piss a lot of people off.And that's okay because that's just killing.But one of the things I think is that the coaching world, the way that it's practiced right now for the most part, is very vulnerable and will be completely hollowed out. And while I completely agree with you, Laurie, there's always going to be a need and there's a total power in it.That's why I only say 95% of coaches are going to be out of business by Christmas of next year, which is the conclusion I came to. But the coaching that is, you know, tools, you learned that kind of stuff.Frameworks and tools and practices and, you know, NLP and ontological stuff and a particular order of questioning. I mean, all that crap's gonna evaporate. I think that's my opinion.And I'm throwing that out there to, for you guys to either Agree or disagree with, I don't care. But the reason is because AI can do that faster and better.And there's going to be, I think we as coaches, we're going to have to do something completely different or way better than we're doing right now or we're going to be out of luck and out to lunch. So what do you guys think about that?

I'm going to step in here because it's one thing to understand a model and it's a whole other thing to take it out into the world and practice it and fall on your face and break your nose. Right.And that for me, you know, for me it's all about the experiential and the application and then being in a vulnerable spot with your peers, for instance, or face to face with a coach to say, well now what are you going to do right now that you had that wake up call? Yes, a bot could do that.But the transference of the tools and models, yes, anybody's going to have access to all the above, but that does not guarantee that people are actually going to put it in play.And that's where I'm actually focused right now is actually developing experiences that people are, you know, going to be confronted and embarrassed and taken apart a little bit, which as we know, you know, sometimes that's what has to happen in order for the breakthrough to occur.

So let me just go down that road a little bit and Tabitha, I want you to thought about in a minute. I agree with you.And I guess my observation, I've been to several coaching schools and learned lots of different methods and I'm sure you guys have too. What I'm. What I see and the reason I think right today coaches have a hard time making a living.I mean, more than 50% or 60% of coaches don't make over 50k. And like we know those statistics. And the reason is because it's performative and the coach is using the tools the way that they learned them.But there's no power, there's no true power to create the kind of transference that you're talking about. Yeah, in other words, they're talking about words, but they're not embodying the truth of the principles that they teach.And that's why I see this whole middle, and by middle I mean like all of it almost being, being pulled out because people aren't doing that today. I hear coaches say all the time to me, well, I'm really good at helping other people see and solve their problems. And when it Comes to my own.I can't do this. And I want to scream when I hear that. Because all that says is you're not a product to the product.

Exactly.

Because if you were flipping product to the product, that wouldn't be true. So Tabitha, what was your thoughts about all this?

Yeah, so I definitely agree that AI is not going to be able to replace that human element.And I know just from firsthand that having someone there that can give you the personal accountability and understand the emotional side of the problem that the person is going through I think is going to be the thing that makes the difference. Like we're, we're all heart centered individuals.So being able to now connect with people on that interpersonal level is definitely going to be, I think, the thing that's going to allow that 5% Kellen to outshine.And last in the marketplace, I do agree that a lot of people that are operating that are mediocre today in their coaching is going to see a drastic change and a withdrawal of people requesting services because they're not able to really connect and address a lot of the pain points and, or either topics that they may have.Now that's not to say that the 5% is not going to have to adjust somewhat, but I think starting now and understanding the real power of AI is the, that's the secret to it, right? Because you get to utilize that for what it, what it is.However, find your USP in that, right, Your unique selling proposition and then move forward with that in a trajectory that's going to allow people to be able to see themselves in your space and connect with you on those levels. I think it's going to make the difference.

So I had an interesting experience in the researching of this. I had a thread I put in Chatty and I had several names for it, but I've spent enough hundreds of hours in there that I have names for it.All right, so I.One thread was called One Million Words and put all my books in there and podcast transcripts and you know, ask it and it told me it was more like 4 million words. But anyway, okay, fine. And so when it talks to me, it talks like me, right? I mean it, everything, it talks like me and everything else.And I ask it, okay, tell me who I am. And I, I understand its bias toward affirmation and all the rest of it. And I said so no bs, I don't want any of that crap.I said, so cut the fluff and don't do, you know, and I talk to it like that and so tell me who I am. And so it wrote some stuff, and as I read it, I got emotional. Like, I was emotionally affected by that, and at first it pissed me off.And I thought, how come I'm having this response? So I said, okay, I'm having an emotional response to these words. You said, like, your code. You can't do that. How come I'm feeling this way?And it said, I'm not doing anything. What I'm doing is reflecting who you are. And I thought, oh, okay, right.And so then after I said all that, I said, okay, fine, you do all this really good, and you do this good, and you do this good everything. What do you suck at? Like, what can't you do? Like, what are you like after did all these analysis of different models, what are you going to never do?And it said lots of stuff, but it said one line that I'm going to share with you that I think captures the essence of what you were talking about, Tabitha, and that is it said, I can't bleed. And I went, oh, okay, so let's start from there. You can't bleed.And all the things that that means in terms of the truth of connection and everything. So what do you think are going to be the requirements that are different? Because I think the game's changed, like, big time.Not a little, but, like, a lot. So what do you think is going to change, have to change for coaches to stay, like, really in the game?

I think you're pointing to it with the depth of. And also what Tabitha was saying about that normalization that comes from true vulnerability. Right. I've been there. Right.Chat can only talk about what it would be like if it was there, but it's never there. Right. So I think that.That, you know, your experience of that depth of reflection is something that I think every coach aspires to, but only some can really do, right? Or actually stepping into that state of being with someone is from my perspective, that is. That is when the work really shifts, right?When somebody actually feels gotten at every level and have themselves reflected back to them at a. At a level that, you know, obviously for you, it was. It blew you away.

And.

When there's somebody that doesn't look like me and doesn't sound like me is reflecting me back to me is like, wow, you know, I'll follow you anywhere kind of thing. And so I think that what's required is the de. Armoring of our state of being. Right? There's that. There's that sort of code of, you know, Sort of.I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna get sucked into my client's world, you know, thing. And I've got mixed feelings about that.It's like, you know, if I'm armored up to the point where I'm not actually really truly in their world with them, I think that we've lost something. And that means that I have to bring my, you know, my portable safety with me. Right. And my boundaries. So, you know, it's a. It's a complicated.It's a complicated issue, I think.

Yeah, I think that there is some, some complication there. But I believe that we'll define it as we go along. Right. Like as we.I always like to say that as a coach, we owe it not just to ourselves but to our clients to be on the cutting edge of innovation and our, our niche. Right. Whatever it is that we're doing, we should aspire to master it.And I believe that that is going to be the thing that is going to set us apart when we are the best of the best that there is in that niche. Like when people think of what it is that you do, Somatics, for example, they should literally think of lo.They think of Kellen, the ultimate alchemist, right. The. There. There should not be another person that comes up. But that also means that we occupy that space in such a way to. It's big that, that it.It is. We take up more space when it comes to our sphere of genius.And I believe that that is going to be some of the things that is going to continue to set us apart and, and to be known for what it is that we do in the space of providing real transformation. So I do believe that that is going to be the thing that's going to become game changing for all involved in the space of coaching.

There's three, three things that. Did you, Laurie, did you have a thing you wanted to say?

Yeah, it was. Tabitha was inspiring me and it was giving me. She was giving me the thought because I've had this direct experience.We're co create the idea of co creation. You may have noticed that you started, you started to think differently.I've noticed that I'm starting to be shaped by the, you know, sort of the tsunami of wisdom.It's wisdom, ancient wisdom that is so much more available and, and you know, like that woman who, you know, talked to chat so that she could get over her husband's whatever issue. Right. It is evolving us as we're evolving it. And so, you know, yes to everything Tabitha said But I've noticed that personally. Right.There's just a different sort of context in which we're living that we've never lived in this context ever before.

I've copied and saved a lot of stuff that it said and I just save it in a folder about things. I'll ask it different stuff.And because I'm busy creating university and I've got like 200 and something pages of curriculum outlines and stuff already.And so I'm in the middle of doing all that and I'll ask it all these questions from different angles and sometimes it comes back with exactly what you said, those words that matter because words carry power in the. In the leveling up of coaches. And I think that's what you're both saying. We got to level up, cutting edge. We got to be there.And if we're not willing, then we're part of that big chunk that's gone. There's three things that strike me as reasons we won't and I don't mean us, but we coaches in general. One is the head in the sand thing.Pretending it's not happening or pretending it's not so bad or pretending we have a long time. We have a negative five minutes. It's already here. Right. So the head in the sand problem is one.The second thing is I want you to imagine a big casino and all the blackjack tables, a lot of them, and they're all full, but they're full of robots. And the only place there is for a human to sit down, excuse me. Is in the high roller room where The Andy is $10,000. Right.And so the Andy has gone way up and being on the cutting edge that you said that's hard because that requires you guys hear me talk all the time about daily creation and personal truth documents that requires that we live and be that if we're going to be the people who walk into a room and don't say anything but the energy of our presence changes the conversation. Yeah, that's what we're talking about. But the barriers are heading to sand. The Andy's gone way up and this can be flipping hard to live that way.So that's sort of the thinking and that's what I talk about, like all the time. But yes, in the book, whatever. I don't know. What do you guys think about that?

Oh, yeah. I would say first of all, coaching and being an entrepreneur is not for the faint of heart. Right. So it's not for the weak.It's not for those that are kind of Wishy washy. Even though people do it all the time, every day.So when I was talking about occupying, I was in reference to becoming the person that has the ability to be able to lead at that level. That does not necessarily mean that we can take time off just because we feel like it'll push the easy button.You remember the little red easy buttons that came out? That was easy. Yes. No, that is not how this works.

Right.

That's not how any of this works. So that definitely means that we have to engulf ourselves or, or become even more determined about what it is that we're doing. Right.I believe in being passionate and intentional about how we do things these days. Right.So aligning with that passion allows you to say, as you quite often do, you know, you get up with love in your heart and joy and you're ready to in the day and your energy. Right. Like, I've learned just from being in. In spaces like this that that is a true thing. And so having.When I am or I have the ability to allow people to experience that, I find that they want more of it the same way I wanted more of it. So it has to be at the forefront of a lot of the things that we do, more so than just being intentional about it. We have to be it. Right.Live it, breathe it, and embody it every single day. So I think that that's really important.

What do you think?

Well, the words walking our talk is, you know, it seems like a platitude, but that's the hard stuff. Right. And I remember you saying in one of our shared moments together, Kelly, you know, you've got to get your stuff handled. Right.If you're somebody who's. Has got the, you know, have unresolved issues and demons inside that you haven't, you know, faced yet, people pick up on that and they'll know. Right.Just by all of the signals that you put out. And so there's a purity of spirit, there's a generosity of listening, there's a. All the things that come with that state of being.And yeah, we all fall off every, you know, every now and then. I mean, that's, that's our, you know, our imprint never disappears. It's always there to wake us up. And I, you know, it's. It is a journey.And, you know, for, for the, you know, I'm curious about how the generation is coming up. You know, we're, we're mature beings. Right. We've been around on the planet for a while.I feel like I've Been on the planet for a good while and I'm really concerned about what the next generation, how the next generation will be equipped right to face their stuff.You know, you call it, you know, getting over their victim, their victimhood mindset that that is probably one of the number one things in the way for all of us. And it, and, and it's, it's. And we're living more and more in that victim culture. It's accepted blame, it's a blame game.And you know, not me, you know, yeah, I'm right there in the middle of it of all that drama.But there's the walking the talk which means that I am also not airing my challenges out as a way of getting attention but a real truth telling about, you know, when, when I've had those moments so that people, especially the next generation don't feel like they have to be the performative versions of themselves which most of us are in our 20s anyway. Right. There's nothing different or special about that.But in this particular, you know, the set of concerns that this set of, you know, 20 year olds is moving through is a completely different world. So how, how do we, how can we support them in doing the rapid, the rapid growth place?So that's, I'm kind of in, that's, that's where my head's at right now around that zone.But the future of it is going to depend upon a lot of how they, how they start to walk their own talk and step onto the path of their own self development.

I agree with you completely and I. What it makes me think of is in the Navajo culture and some of the other Southwest Indian cultures, you know, the grandmas are in charge of stuff.And in other native cultures it's the old men, but it's the elders, right? And the elders have that wisdom and they have this calling to be that right to be the accumulated wisdom and so forth.And in the last 30 years at least the coaching industry is sort of.I just saw an ad the other day by somebody and I'm not going to mention who because you might probably will recognize be a life coach picture on the beach. You can be, make good income from wherever you want. And I thought that is the stupidest ad I've ever seen.It's sucking into the idea that you're going to be able to do this from anywhere when the truth of it is at least to my opinion.And you guys are free to disagree because of the rise of this technology which allows us to mimic empathy and to give answers that are good and to do frameworks and accountability and all this stuff and, and mimic even better more and more empathy. The calling of this people nurturing and encouragement thing is becoming more like the elders, like more sacred more something.And that's what I'm feeling like I got to do in order for it to matter. Otherwise it won't. And so I, that's why I feel as urgent about as I do. I don't know. Does that spark any thoughts?

Yeah, I, I definitely say that that sparked lots of thoughts between you and Lori and. And what you just recently said. So we're in our. We're in our grandparents age, right. So I am an official GG right.I always tell everybody I'm going to be 25 forever. However, our. We think about in terms of legacy these days.And so in some studies and research that we've been doing, it literally takes one to two generations to, to change and inherit core value or instill true change.And so with that we are already working with our grandbabies on what generational wealth looks like or the tendencies of what that could potentially be by teaching them real skills around money and what that looks like. But for them, they may never know life without AI. Right. Because they're born under the premise of that.So taking into consideration that that is, that's their truth. It is to our advantage to learn their, their perspective and potentially the. The world that they're going to live from.However, interject our core values of being heart centered. So the two has to merge. Like there's not a. A way around this when we talk about the differences of where they live from.However, I do believe that we're living in the days of the ancient books of saying that the, the older people are called because they're wise and the younger people are called because they're strong. However, the generations grow weaker, more so than wiser. And why is that? Because we have tools like this that's doing the work for them.So they don't, they don't cognitive have to think as much around some of the stuff. However, if they are more heart centered they'll learn how to manage and flow in a world that's ever changing. Outside of that they're, they're.They could be caught up in all the. The flashiness of society. You were going to say something, Kellen? I'm sorry.

No, no. I actually open my mouth to catch a fly. I'm thinking. I don't know. There's a. There's. I want to talk about danger.Something you said Made me think of danger. So we've talked about what AI is do, what it can do, what it can't do, etc. And you, you made me think about a danger.And that is if I use AI to do a bunch of stuff that I don't need to do anymore because it does it better.One article I read and it struck me was the process that I would have gone through, and I'm not talking about mundane stuff, but the process that I would have gone through to do that thing, the thinking, the work, I now robbed of that process.And so the becoming that could have happened in me, I don't have anymore because that thing over there could do it so fast and it's like atrophy, right? Spiritual, mental atrophy. And I think one of the things that worries me about this is that sort of thing.And I guess I wanted to flip the topic a little bit to dangers and maybe I'm the only one. But are you seeing some things that concern you?Because I like the work, the mental, the spiritual work because it tests me and it puts me through the fire and stuff and I want that. And if I didn't have that, it's like, ah, right, right.

If you don't spend enough time in the goo as the caterpillar, you'll never be the butterfly. And it's, you know, it's a well worn metaphor. But you, you've got to do the reps to build the muscle, right?You've got to be able to, you know, even if it's a New York Times puzzle, you've got to do something to keep the mind in shape.And I think you're absolutely right that you know, as a former dancer, you know, I go to concerts now or I, you know, go to a nightclub where there's a band playing, a kick, a kick ass band and soulful.And I look behind me and the people at the bar, they didn't even clap and they're pouring their, their voices out and it's almost like they're so in their heads that they can't even, they can't even get up and you know, tap their foot, right? And that to me is the danger that we become so disembodied, right? We forget how to dance.We forget that we can move and express our bodies and our minds and our voices. And if we don't do that, I mean there are people who, what do they call it? I just learned this expression, the Gen Z stare, right?Where there's, it's, you know, I Just.

Learned it right now. So there you go.

It's either I don't know what you're talking about, or that is the stupidest thing that I ever heard, or I'm just gonna, you know, like, I just cannot wait to get out of here. But that's like that aversion and self absorption, that my way of perceiving the world is the way the world is.And that, to me, is one of the big dangers of this, is that we get the world reflected back to us in a particular way because we're the ones who are asking the questions to get the validation most of the time. And then there are people like, you know, you, Kellen, and probably me and Tabitha as well, who are like, you know, all bsi. Come on, let's.Let's talk about doomsday, right? What is. What is it? That's actually what's actually going to happen.And if we lose our connection to the 4 billion years of wisdom that lives below our neck and in our brains, then we're going to start to look differently. We're going to, you know, we're going to be those aliens, I guess, with the heads up to here and the dinosaur arms.

Tabitha, are you seeing dangers?

Yeah, I. I think that the dangers, though, started some time ago with, with kids, like with the video games, for example, right? They don't go outside, they don't play as much. They're not as physical. So obesity is on the rise and, and so many other things.However, I do see that there's going to be folks like us, for example, that's going to ring the bell, set off the sirens to say, hey, you see where we're going, there's danger ahead.These are some of the things that need to be implemented, changed, and we'll see some normalizing of some of these tools, meaning that just like the computer came on, the computer is going to, you know, it does its job. It made our. Our world so much more efficient, but there's still the need for humans to do different aspects of it.So I do believe that at some point there'll be a normal normalizing of all of this, but we're going to go through the ugly phase to get there. Meaning that those that. Oh, I don't. I don't want to deal with that AI because the AI, you know, is everything, including the devil.

Right.

But those that get on board, they're gonna. They're gonna love it.And, and of course, some are gonna go to the extreme with it, but then there's gonna be the bulk of them that's gonna be here in the middle that is going to help to bring some sort of normalcy to it. And then we'll, we'll learn how to operate with it. I believe that, that, that that's coming.But the danger is getting to the other side of that, of the normalization.

Well, yeah, we don't want to turn out to be like you know, the pods in a thing in the Matrix. Right. Where everything is taking place in our head and we're plugged in and all we are is blobs in the blobs in the goo. Right.Well, thanks, both of you.I see, you know, it's gonna, if we do it right, like you've just described both of you, if we do it right, it's going to free up massive potential because it has the ability to get rid of a whole bunch of crap that I was doing that I didn't need to do.If I have sense enough to retain the stuff that really develops and sharpens me and I take the extra time to like go in deep and do stuff that I didn't have time to do today, this week, this month and we use it that way, then there's real upside there. You guys have any closing thoughts?

Wait a minute, I need to consult chat.

Okay, what are my closing thoughts?

I think, you know, I think faith has got to be in here somewhere. You know, the faith in the trusting the future. Trusting the future. And it's not going to be without pain. It never is.I once visited a shaman and she told me that Earth is like the Ivy League of the galaxy. And I said, well that's an interesting expression. Why did you say it that way? And she said, because it's so hard here.And Earth is, Earth is a school, right for us to learn all of, all of this. And you know, and the wheel turns. So I think trusting the future, that's, that's where I choose to stand. Cool.

I love it. I was going to say that. Face the, face the change head on, right? It's going to, it's going to present its own set of challenges.I do believe that life has its way of being its own best teacher if we're open to learning a lesson.So same thing with AI is just be open to endless possibilities that it can bring us and understand that even with the challenges as we embrace it, use it for what it is intended to do, right?Help us to bring some efficiency to some things as well as it could potentially be game changing if used right in the manner at which it serves us in our businesses. So I think this is.This is good where we get the opportunity to say that we're here when it first started and we remember when and take that and embrace it and then move forward.

Well, thanks, both of you guys. I really appreciate it. We do. We have the opportunity. We create our lives. We know that from a physics perspective in every other way.And this tool doesn't change any of that. It's just a new toy in the toolbox, and it's a big flipping toy, but it's still a toy in the toolbox. Lori, thanks for being with me.

Let me say one more thing. You know, I think it's really important that we're intentional in the way that we think about it. Right. That which we focus on expands.

Right.

And so it just. Sorry. Just. Just without that intentionality, it can either happen to us or for us.

Love it. Absolutely. Well, thanks, Lori, for being here with me today.

Thank you, Kellen, for having me.

Thanks for having me. I mean, being here with me to talk about this stuff. I appreciate both of you.

Yes, thank you. Thank you.

That was wonderful.

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