Dec. 9, 2025

YOU ARE NOT BROKEN — YOU ARE DISCONNECTED

YOU ARE NOT BROKEN — YOU ARE DISCONNECTED

Most people don’t feel broken because they’re weak — they feel broken because they’ve gone numb. Disconnected. Shut down. In this raw and revealing conversation, Kellan and Debbie expose the truth behind emotional avoidance, self-betrayal, and the quiet ways we abandon ourselves every single day.

You’re not stuck because life is against you.

You’re stuck because you’ve disconnected from the part of you that knows exactly what to do.

This episode pulls you out of autopilot and back into the living, breathing, honest center of your life — where truth heals, where courage awakens, and where real transformation begins.


  • The truth about emotional shutdown and numbness
  • Why people disconnect from themselves
  • How avoidance creates misery, stagnation, and confusion
  • Reconnecting to inner truth and personal power
  • The relationship between honesty, healing, and freedom
  • Why discomfort is necessary for growth
  • Recognizing the lies we tell ourselves
  • How to reclaim agency and choose life again


🔥 Ready to reconnect with your truth and build something real? Join the Dream • Build • Write It Webinar — where visionaries turn purpose into movement. Save your seat: dreambuildwriteit.com

📘 Loved hearing from Debbie Harris on the podcast? Grab a copy of her book Dieting Sucks and start your journey to a healthier, happier you!

👉 Get it here: https://dietingsucksbook.com/

Chapters

00:00 - Untitled

00:05 - Starting Your Journey to Truth

04:30 - The Journey of Self-Worth: Diet, Body Image, and Empowerment

11:14 - The Journey to Freedom Eating

16:54 - Understanding Your Worth

24:30 - The Cathartic Process of Recasting Our Past

27:52 - The Journey of Writing and Healing

34:02 - Understanding Your Why

36:44 - Understanding the Struggles of Midlife Women

Transcript
Kellan Fluckiger

Welcome to the show. Tired of the hype about living a dream? It's time for truth.This is the place for tools, power, and real talk, so you can create the life you dream and deserve your ultimate life. Subscribe, share, create. You have infinite power.Hello there, and welcome to this episode of your ultimate life, the podcast that I've created to help you live a life of purpose, prosperity and joy. And to show you that it's possible to live every day in purpose, prosperity and joy.And today, I'm honored to have Debbie Harris a special guest to share with some cool stuff with us. Welcome to the show.

Debbie Harris

Thanks. Thank you very much, Kellen. I'm very excited to be here.

Kellan Fluckiger

Good. So I don't do a big intro. Well, everything that you do that's coolness will come out in the show. So let's just get started.What is your most important to your heart, most important way that Debbie chooses to add good to the world?

Debbie Harris

Well, besides making introductions whenever I can for people that need to meet people, I've become over the last five years, obsessed with changing the dialogue over diet, over weight, perimenopause and menopause for women and really get to the heart of some of that suffering that's going on right now between age, let's say 40, 45, and 65.

Kellan Fluckiger

What made you be obsessed with that? I mean, everybody's got things that affect them and you usually, not always, but usually that comes from some piece of life experience.But what happened in your life that says I'm obsessed with that?

Debbie Harris

I was the fat kid. I had a heart surgery when I was very young, about 18 months, that my parents, for whatever reason they were very young.Didn'T discuss and had always, my mother had always said, don't ever tell anybody. And my dad left when I was about 5, left Brooklyn, went to California. So I used food. The point is, I used food. Whatever I could grab.It didn't have to be candy or cookies, it didn't matter. Bread, extra servings. I used food. So, P.S.i was the fat kid in elementary school, and I. I lost weight when I was 12 because my mom took me to WW and then when I went to visit my father two years later in the summer, gained 40 pounds, back in three weeks. This constant food, this constant hating the way I looked, hating my stomach, being made fun of, never picked for anything.I mean, a lot of kids go through this. I. That began a cycle of dieting my entire life. Taking weight on, taking it off, taking it on, taking every diet you could imagine.Until I hit menopause and couldn't do a thing. It really didn't matter what I did unless I was going to take a knife and cut it off.And coupled with all the other menopause stuff, I was having hot flashes, I was having night sweatshirts, I was off the charts with mood swings, My husband was going nuts, and I developed breast cancer at the same time.

Kellan Fluckiger

Wow.

Debbie Harris

I found a way through a program, through some other research. I went back to school to become an integrative nutrition health coach. I had been a certified hypnotist for. I have been for about 23 years.I did a lot of research.I said, okay, I need to get the word out to other women about all the mind games that we play, all the BS that we put ourselves through about weight, about diet, about our bodies, all this guilt and self recrimination. And that finally gave me the idea of the book I wanted to write. I had always wanted to write a book.I used to write scripts when I was in elementary school. I hid behind books and I would write scripts with famous actors and show it to my best friend.Finally, I knew, this is the book I'm supposed to write. This is why my journey has been my journey, and this is what we're going to do going forward.

Kellan Fluckiger

You talked about, you know, weight and our bodies and things that are part of that mythology that we are stuck with, particularly for women. And unsurprisingly, to me, this all comes from your own personal journey, because it almost always does.And I love that, because what that means is that this is the thing you have to offer that's the most powerful.

Debbie Harris

Yes.

Kellan Fluckiger

Because the thing that's the most power is the thing that we've lived. So the word that also occurred to me was worth.

Debbie Harris

Yes.

Kellan Fluckiger

Does that. It seems like that plays a huge role in the context of body and shaming and what people think and all that is a story about our worth.Talk a little about that.

Debbie Harris

That is exactly what it is. So if you start young, as I did, then that.That whole sense of, well, I have no value, or as I got older, my value is based on whether I was in my thin side or heavier side. So if I felt that I was thin, I was happy and all was well with the world. If I felt that and I was overweight again, I was miserable.So everything depended on the food I was putting in my mouth, the scale, what size I happened to be wearing in my clothes. All about worth, in fact, to the point where, okay, people will laugh because everybody does. This Monday I will start again.And this time I'm going to stick to whatever program it is I think I'm sticking to. And then Wednesday, someone brings a bagel to the office or a donut.When we all went to the office every day and you have some of it now, all of a sudden I have no value. I can't even resist that freaking donut. What is wrong with me?Therefore, might as well go have that hamburger and fries for lunch because, you know, I'm just. I just can't do it. I'm worthless. And all of this stuff just keeps happening and happening.

Kellan Fluckiger

So I can feel in your delivery and everything that this is really important to you and the stories and, you know, you've picked a particular thing.Weight, which in at least the Western world, us in particular, is an epidemic right now for different reasons, of people weighing more than is healthy and here in Canada. Also becoming that more. Why does what other people are thinking about us mean so much to us, have such power over our.What we do, what we think we can do, what we try, and everything else? Because somebody may or may not think whatever we've decided they think, and then three seconds later, they're not even thinking about us.So it doesn't matter any. And we know that maybe, but it still has such power. Why does that have such power over us?

Debbie Harris

Well, I think too in what you said, the physical side.So we are live in a culture in Western society where we are constantly comparing ourselves to others, especially in a physical sense, particularly women. Although men have begun to do more and more of that. So the things we see on TV that.Oh, gosh, now the things we see on social media, magazines, whatever it is, there's always this ideal, this comparison. And now when we're out there in the world amongst the people we're with, what are they thinking of? Me? Oh, she looks. She's thinner than me.Oh, do I look older than her? I actually, I remember being with my second husband and him saying, do I, do I look fatter than that guy or thinner than that guy?So it's not just women, but it's this constant. How am I comparing myself to what I think is an ideal? And what are those people going to think of me? It's also this.If I am overweight, my value is less because thin and normal weight is what I see everywhere now. Things are changing, but I truly believe we've gone way to the other extreme. And you mentioned this.We've gone from, you know, body shaming and everybody feeling like they had to be thin and a certain type to. Well, it's okay to be 100 pounds overweight or 150 pounds overweight.And I do not believe that that is the case, particularly now what we're doing with kids. So I think we do, Kellen, we make these value judgments based on what we see, but it's not the normal people we see.It's what we're seeing being thrown at us by our culture. And so if we don't fit an ideal, we have less value. What is that person going to think of me if I don't fit that ideal?

Kellan Fluckiger

And that ideal is purposely and intentionally created and pushed and used and marketed and, you know, over and over and over again. And there's this mixed message. There's still, yeah, it's okay to be a million pounds overweight or any number.And we're going to not shame you anymore, except we know you die sooner and your blood pressure's ruined and you can't do anything and it brings 50 million other diseases with it. And snow. It's not about being size zero and fitting into weird clothes that they wear walking down a road Runway.It's about having a long and healthy life. Only we make it about personal worth and value.

Debbie Harris

That's right.

Kellan Fluckiger

Did you, did you write that book? This is the book I'm supposed to write, yes. Did you write it? Well, tell me about it. What is that book and what does it do?

Debbie Harris

The book is called Dieting Sucks for women over 4030 to life. The ultimate weight loss and hormone balancing solution. The book has a program, a food program that you follow.It has a stage one, stage two, stage three. The goal of the book is to become what I call and what I am is a freedom eater. What does that mean?That means you're going to learn to get to your ideal healthy weight and as you just pointed out, whatever that is for you, and you're going to learn how to stay there. The way you're going to stay there is 80% of the time, you're going to eat what is best for your body 20% of the time.I mean, you know, whether it's the all inclusive vacation or going out with the girls or whatever it is, the Thanksgiving dinner, whatever it may be, you're going to learn to live an 8020 lifestyle so that you never feel deprived. You know, food is so connected to our family, our tradition, our memories, our culture.To tell someone they can never have something, well, tell a two year old or a teenager they can never have something. And you know exactly what happens. So I don't believe in that. I believe we learn how to be comfortable with who we are.We, we look in the mirror, we can give ourselves a wink and a smile. And on those days when we just want to have whatever we want to have, it's okay.

Kellan Fluckiger

I really appreciate that part. I love that.And one of the things that I've discovered in the Quest for the Ultimate Life and I wrote about in the book Living with Purpose and Power, which is the book I wrote teaching people how to live with purpose and power, is that one of the foundational pieces? In fact, maybe the initial foundation piece is to learn to love yourself. And we have such an aversion to that.Some people equate it with self indulgence, some people equate it with it's not okay, I should help and love other people, but I'm last. I got to do everybody else.And maybe if there's anything left over, I'll whatever have for me, you know, time, a little bit of money, some self care and that kind of stuff. But I got to make sure and, and none of that's true. You can't really serve from an empty cup.And if my cup is empty because I've served everybody else or because I am unhappy with myself and I carry this negative image which is like a big rock in the cup and so there's not room for very much water, like whatever the reason is, learning to love yourself is such an important thing. Talk about how that. I don't know if you use those words in your program or in your book, but talk about because I know you agree with the idea.So tell me about how that works. When you have a woman who comes to you that's been suffering for X amount of years.With self image, with doubting their worth with all of the accompanying problems, how do you go about helping somebody do something they've never done before?

Debbie Harris

Absolutely. And I talk a lot about self care. Throughout my book you'll see the expression, you are a warrior. Your journey is real.The first phase of my program is called Balanced Warrior and it's all about understanding exactly what you just said, Kellen. How are you going to give to others if you can barely get yourself out of bed? If you feel so yucky about yourself, how is that helping anyone else?So we talk a lot about self self care. We talk a lot about non scale victories. Yes, we're getting on the scale for the first few phases until we get to where we want to be.But that's not the Basis for our value. What else is happening? Are your clothes fitting better? Do you feel more confident? Are your joints less achy? Did you go get yourself a manicure?Which again, all of this is self care and you don't have to go spend a lot of money. Maybe you go to coffee with a friend, Maybe you go, you know, it's. What can you do to help you understand your value that isn't just that number.What else is happening in your life? Did you notice the beauty of the day? Did you sleep better? Did you have less hot flashes? All of those things.And that's the biggest part of the book is understanding your value, your self care and what's happening in your life that's good. It's not just about did you have the freakin half a donut?I have women who are so successful in work, in family, and they'll say to me, I'm a failure. Why are you a failure? Well, obviously I can't stick to a diet. I can't take this weight off. And I'm like, okay, time out.That's where we need to take a look at again. What are we basing our, our value on? The food that goes in our mouth. It's. It's crazy and it's very much part of our culture.

Kellan Fluckiger

You know, one of the things that. Is part of the coaching that I do, and I'm sure you do too, but I want to ask you a question.What do you think would happen if a person came to truly understand, not believe in a fake way and not like I'm faking it till I make it, but truly understand that your worth is a settled issue. Like your worth is, period. Because you're a divine being. You were created with love and you're here on purpose. So your worth is settled.And you may want to do a bunch of stuff because you're not happy with how you spent your time yesterday or how much you did or didn't eat, or how much you did or didn't exercise or whatever. But that has nothing to do with your worth.What do you suppose would happen if people were able to approach whatever changes they wanted to accomplish in weight, in health, in relationships, in money and finances and building a business or whatever. If they started from the place of My worth is not the issue?

Debbie Harris

Well, first of all, yes.Then you have a world where people, where every being feels that they are valued and that whatever their desire is, whatever their impact is, they will accomplish that. But that requires. I mean, think about what I told you at the beginning and think about everybody's history from the beginning. So we have to trust.And this is the way I look at it, and this is the way I would explain it to someone else. You must trust that every single thing you just told me, every single thing that you experienced brought you to this moment and that with that.You always have this moment to work with and to do what it is you feel compelled to do.Because who you are, forget about the intrinsic value that we're doing as a given, who you are, who you're bringing to the world is all been amassed through those experiences. I'm a very big Neville Goddard fan. Just, you know, think of it that way.Don't think, oh, my God, if that hadn't happened to me, oh, my God, if I had made that other decision. No, this moment, all of that, now what are you going to do?Because that has prepared you for this moment and then the next moment, and then the next moment, whatever that is.

Kellan Fluckiger

That's beautiful. And in terms of people listening, you know, my hypothetical about your value is settled. You're perfect right now.And I don't mean by that, oh, it means I don't have to care about anything or try anything. I don't mean that. But you can't change anything in the past anyway.And anything you look at in the past, whether it was a donut or a lie or something you didn't do, you thought you, quote, should have done, it's finished, it's over. It's yesterday. And if you carry baggage to today from that, all it does is reduce your capacity today, period.It's like carrying extra weight in your backpack. So you're free to do that. But know that as long as you do, it reduces what you can do today. So allow whatever is has been to be what it is.And where you're starting today is just right. Because right this minute is all you've got. You actually can't fix, you can't change yesterday. You can do new stuff today.If you think that you want to clean up something from you, that's fine, but that's new stuff today.And to start from a place of weakness or extra weight or like carrying a wet blanket or 10 pounds of rocks or something, you're free to do that, but it just means that you always. Are holding. That's what coaches mean when they say holding yourself back.It just means you're carrying a bunch of crap from yesterday that you can't change anyway.

Debbie Harris

Yes. And you know, it's easy. You and I are sitting here having this conversation.And I want to say to everybody who's listening, it's simple, but it's not always easy. So, you know, it's important to understand that if you and I carried the baggage for 60 years.So it's important to understand if you're carrying it, whatever it is, there are people out there that can help you get rid of it, whatever your particular path is to that, but don't feel that you have to carry it yourself, I guess, is what I'm trying to say, because it's easy to say, well, you know, the past is over, just. Yeah, but there, there's often a process and actually getting to the point where you internalize that. Not just, oh, yeah, the past is the past.So I just, you know, I, I, I agree with you 100%. It, sometimes it takes time. Other people are able to just, like, they just get rid of it. And, and that's great. That's awesome.But for many of us, it is a process.

Kellan Fluckiger

I couldn't agree more. And it's mostly a process.

Debbie Harris

Yeah.

Kellan Fluckiger

So I would say those that can let it go quickly and easily are usually pretending.

Debbie Harris

Yeah.

Kellan Fluckiger

So, and maybe there are some that, that have this connected. But what I agree with so powerfully from what Debbie just said is that not only is it a process, but it's worth whatever effort.Because the level of freedom you get when you do the effort and process and get the coach or the shrink or whatever it is you need to do, the level of freedom that you experience when the truth of what we just talked about, you can't fix the past anyway.So approach the present with all the power you can enjoy is a beautiful statement and a wonderful place to be and worth whatever effort it takes to get there. Because that means today and every day after that is like, way cool instead of with a big dark cloud.

Debbie Harris

Yes, I, I totally agree. And for me, a lot of it was the writing of the book. It was actually, I guess, my love of writing. So for me, that became a natural form of expression.But it was an extremely cathartic experience for me to just get it down on paper and know that with every chapter I was going to relate to someone out there who said, yeah, I get it, I get what she's saying. And that's, that's what I want. I want.And, and again, the program in the book will help anybody take weight off balance their hormones, but the book is written for women, and I just want them to, to read it and go, yes, if she can do that, then I can do That I can release all this and understand my value and get to where I find peace with food.

Kellan Fluckiger

Love that. And it's not just food. It's peace with food, which is the focus of your work and the women you are principally aiming at.But it's peace with anything that you have as a habit or the past that didn't. It's not what you thought it ought to be, whatever that means. Talk about this cathartic process, because usually we have a story about our past.It defines us in ways that are not helpful, but we've internalized those stories. In the case of weight, I'm, you know, I'm overweight, I'm fat, I'm not good. I'm. I can't do stuff. I can't move around.I'm not good at sports, people don't pick me, et cetera, et cetera. Whatever it is. Talk about this catharsis that took place when you, like, what was it? It, Was it the, the, the recasting of the stories of the past?Was it telling the stories and then understanding a different meaning that they could have? What, what happened to you?And the reason I'm asking is because I suspect that everybody that makes a decision to go into your program or into any program that allows you to reframe stories has got to go through layers of this recasting and redefining of, of the meaning that they've assigned to stuff in the past.

Debbie Harris

I'm not, I'm not sure we have time to go through all this, but I'll give it a whirl.

Kellan Fluckiger

What, whatever makes sense to you. Whatever you feel called to share.

Debbie Harris

Well, I, I will say this. I. About two years ago, a year and a half ago, I was sitting in front of my computer, and I believe that everything happens for a reason.There are, there are no coincidences. A video, I have no idea how it happened, popped up on my screen. I was working, I think I was starting the book at that point.And it was a doctor, I forget her name, an Indian doctor. She was talking about narcissistic relationships with parents. She's very famous. I, I, her name doesn't come to me right now.And I'm watching this thing, and I'm like, first of all, how did this YouTube video get here? Because I wasn't doing that. And second of all, oh, my gosh.So it started leading me down this path of realizing that my relationship with my father had, had been extremely narcissistic, okay, on his part, and emotionally abusive, but that it's One thing, you know, I suddenly got it. I suddenly got. Where a lot of my angst had come from and the struggles I had had with the relationship with my father since I was five.And then I, I said, okay. I remember running into my husband and saying, I have no idea how this video got here, but oh my God.I didn't know that parents could have narcissistic relationships with their kids. Like, what a revelation.So that got me doing some real thinking about what had happened, what the relationship had been like, how I had felt devalued and disrespected and, and that helped with the writing.It helped me feel like, wow, so maybe none of this was your fault, you know, him leaving him this, this, that, and the other thing, maybe none of this was your fault. Let's just keep writing. And someone actually said to me, I said, I don't know how to write a book, I don't know how to organize a book.And they said, just write, just write. Forget about all that. And that's exactly what I did. And the more I wrote, the better I felt.And the more I got things out, the better I felt, the more clarification I got about, hey, you were a kid. In fact, my book is dedicated to my 8 year old self.

Kellan Fluckiger

You know, that's interesting, go ahead. Because finish.

Debbie Harris

I was going to say, because she didn't know, she didn't know that she was a warrior and that her journey was real. She didn't know what was happening. But in speaking to her now, that's why I wanted to dedicate the book to her.

Kellan Fluckiger

So I love that and thank you for doing that and thank you for writing it. What I've noticed everybody listening this knows I've written like 21, 22 books by the end of this year. And the reason is exactly the same thing.When you write, it does something in, in, in a freedom, it creates a freedom because you're allowed to express, you're allowed to explore and then edit, but to express things that you haven't been able to express or haven't known how to talk about or haven't dared to think about. So you get to go in at your own speed and excavate those things.And that's another reason why also talking, whether you're using a therapist because you're, you know, therapy in my mind is like, I'm broken in some fashion. Like I go to a doctor when my arm's broken, so I go to him to fix it. So I go to a shrink and I have, when you got to get from broken to fixed.And then you go to a coach when you want to get from fixed to. To exponential. Because no doctor is the coach of an Olympian.You send them to the doctor when something's broke and back to the coach when it's time to prepare for extraordinary. So there's a clear difference. But anyway, the.The conversation is the place where you're allowed, encouraged to not only explore this, but to language out loud or on paper or both, to things you haven't before. And the act of doing it, as you said, changes things.

Debbie Harris

Yeah. Changes everything.

Kellan Fluckiger

It changes. Yeah. And I see that all the time. And in fact, that's why one of my favorite things to do is help people write their books and their stories.Because the only thing we have is our own journey. Everything else we teach is about that thing over there, something we learned.And we may be really good at it, but unless it's our lived experience, it really carries no power. So after you wrote the book and created this program, how are you bringing it into the world? Like, what is your goal or your commitment?Like every woman in the world? Or how are you reaching people and reaching out and doing that? What's your process here?

Debbie Harris

So I made. My husband and I made a commitment to 2025 that we would just focus on doing this and doing it right.So our website, which is being launched as we speak these days, has a membership. I wanted to create a membership where women could join and get daily accountability and daily support.So I created all kinds of daily videos and self hypnosis instruction, guided meditation. I'm doing live events once a month, and this is just coming out.And I, I also said, okay, ladies, if you join our membership for one year and you reach certain signposts along the way which are outlined, I will buy your second year membership. Because I know if you follow this and go on for another year, you're done. You're a freedom eater.You're going to be able to live your life with food and not be, not be insane. The whole diet thing is insane. So that was my promise.And we're going to do that probably until the end of the year, maybe a little past that, and let women know that I really do believe in them. I really do believe that they can wake up in the morning, as one client said to me, I got my sexy back, Deb, and have that feeling.And I don't care what the scale number is. That's not the point. It's the way you feel.

Kellan Fluckiger

Isn't that always it Is so much like I belong to a. It's not really a mastermind, but it's a group of wealthy and partly wealthy, you know, all kinds of stuff, including up to some billionaires.But their commitment is to do good in the world. And the premise, they have a CREDO, which is 10 principles that run them. And 80% of everything is just mindset.How what, you know that buzzword we call mindset? But what it is is what's what you believe. It's what you believe is possible. It's what you believe about yourself.If what you believe is possible for your future. You know, it's about what you believe you can create.Because when you don't believe those things in ways that we flip and don't understand, it creates energy that resists and delays and drags back, you know, and gives us procrastination and excuses and all the rest.And when you do believe, and you started this thing by saying I'm obsessed, like when you believe in something to that level, when the want to gets big enough, the how to pops up everywhere. Right?

Debbie Harris

Yeah.

Kellan Fluckiger

So what teach us here a little bit. When you start with someone, how do you help them understand that? To get a handle on this? Want to.

Debbie Harris

Well, that's the first thing we talk about. We talk about, not to quote Simon Sinek, but we start with why.

Kellan Fluckiger

Simon Sinek's great, by the way.

Debbie Harris

Yeah. What is bringing you to this point? To the point where, okay, Deb, what do I do? What is the why now? The why is going to change.And a lot of times whys are superficial at the beginning. I have an anniversary. I have a 40th high school reunion. I need to wear this dress, whatever it is. But the whys go deeper.I want to be able to be around for my grandchildren, great grandchildren. I want to be able to go to Europe and walk. I want to be able to be active and healthy.So they start to the layers, they start to go deeper and deeper. And that's the first thing. The first thing is your why.Then I teach everybody self hypnosis so that that why and using our subconscious can put us in that place, even if it's five, six minutes a day. Because our subconscious is so powerful.And I want everybody to remember your subconscious never really matures beyond about a four year old emotionally. And it wants you to be safe and it wants you to be comfortable.So the example I give sometimes to people is if you used to see teenagers standing in a schoolyard, they would stand in a circle and smoke cigarettes. They were in a circle. And if you were in that circle smoking a cigarette, you were included. You were part of the group.Well, fast forward 15, 20 years later. Cigarettes, we all know this, are not healthy, but your subconscious is still wanting you to be safe and included and comfortable in the in group.It's not looking at the health dangers of smoking. So it's the same thing with food. It's the same thing with anything. We want to get to that place where we can feel comfortable.And the best way to do it is to keep focusing on our why. Why are we doing this? And as I said, the why will change.My book has pages in the back of every chapter with a couple questions that you can answer, just some thought questions about what you just read and what just transpired. And it's really about getting in touch with.And the great thing about self hypnosis is then you can use it for anything, but it's really getting in touch with why am I doing this? What is really driving me to finally take control of this issue. And I just want to say one other thing.I wrote the book before I knew this, but the rate of suicide among women 45 to 65 is going up worldwide. And to me, this is another layer of a very, very troubling trend. And I think again, we're looking at what you said, Kellen.This, this value system, this am I worth it? But again, for me, the thought of women in midlife. Deciding to commit suicide is extremely troubling. And my hope is that all of this will.Will at least help also some of that mental emotional stress that's happening.

Kellan Fluckiger

I love that. And I want to, for the audience, I want to endorse absolutely self hypnosis.Decades ago, I bought several books and worked on that diligently for to get that skill and also the skill of meditation. And they are related in some ways. And so if you do that, you do have power.The other thing I wanted to do is just so agree with you because when I was in my late 30s, which is like a long time ago, when I was in my late 30s, I was nearly 100 pounds, 90 pounds overweight. And the thing that drove me is I said, wait a minute. I was having. I had two little poor kids then, two by the.My first marriage and two by the one I was in. And I thought, I don't want to be that fat dad that can't run around and play with his kids.And I didn't have a quote program, but I just did it the hard way. I had always Loved martial arts and I enrolled in a martial arts school again.I'd already done that since teenage sum and it was, you know, five minutes drive from the house, so I'd go.And for a year I worked out there and I worked out once and then twice a day at home and everything else and lost 90 pounds and got in such good shape by the time I was 39 or 40 that in the ring I could take the, the teenagers in and here's a 20 year old and I beat him and I'd say, who's next? You know, and I could do that. And so my point about that is I was nearly 40 and then I was 40. And you can do that, you can.

Debbie Harris

Do that, you can do it at any age. We, you know, I've worked with people in their early 80s.I mean, it's really just if the desire is there and we get to the why, whatever that why may be as we go on, absolutely, you can do it.

Kellan Fluckiger

So we're just about done here, so I need you to tell everybody anything else you didn't say you wanted to. And I want you to tell everybody how to find your book, how to learn more and get more.Debbie, if they want to see more videos, websites, whatever it is, that is the right place to find and enjoy this. A fabulous set of things that you've brought forward with your own experience.

Debbie Harris

Well, thank you, Kellen. And first, the website is 30, the number 3030 T O 32 life.org There's a ton of information up there. I welcome anybody to go.I am all over social media, either 30tolife or Debbie Harris, not Debbie Harry, which is what everybody says to me.

Kellan Fluckiger

The singer.

Debbie Harris

Yes, the singer. So. And I'm happy. My emails, there's ways to contact me up there. I'm on Facebook, I'm on Instagram, I'm on LinkedIn, I'm on TikTok.You'll find me Debbie Harris and32life.org and really what I just want to wrap up by saying is I truly, truly believe that every woman is a warrior and that her journey is real, whatever that journey is.And if she is challenged and suffering and feeling miserable like I was about how she looks, how she feels, then, then let's, let's take care of that. We can do it.

Kellan Fluckiger

Thank you for sharing your heart and your love and your passion with us today.

Debbie Harris

Thank you.

Kellan Fluckiger

I want to endorse every single thing she said. Look her up. Every person that I've had on here has a story. Every one of them has come from their own experience.Some through this valley of death, and some through that valley of death. It doesn't matter. You are divine. You are capable, and you matter.And you're worth whatever effort and energy it takes to get to the place you want to get so that you can live every day, enjoy joy, and create your ultimate life.

Debbie Harris

Open your heart.

Kellan Fluckiger

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