Welcome back to Your Ultimate Life – The Power Podcast with Kellan Fluckiger.
In this special Thursday edition, Kellan is joined by Ben Perreau and Abi Levine for a real, honest conversation about what AI is (and isn’t) doing to the coaching and leadership world.
After writing Coaching in the Rise of AI, Kellan set out to speak directly with people who are actively building and using AI in their work – not just talking about it. This episode explores how AI is being used in leadership development, personal growth, and coaching support, while also addressing the real risks, limitations, and misunderstandings around artificial intelligence.
This is not hype. It’s a grounded, practical conversation about the future of coaching, leadership, and human impact.
🎙 In this episode, you’ll hear about:
✅ How AI is being used as a leadership intelligence and feedback tool
✅ Why AI cannot replace lived experience, embodiment, and human connection
✅ The biggest pitfalls of using chat-based AI for personal and professional growth
✅ What coaches and leaders must evolve if they want to stay relevant
✅ How leadership, culture, and real transformation happen on the front line – not just in the boardroom
✅ Why authenticity, imperfection, and real presence still matter more than any tool
👤 Guest links
Ben Perreau – Parafoil (Leadership Intelligence)
👉 https://parafoil.co/
Abi Levine – Courses and programs
👉 https://courses.abilevine.com/
🌍 Learn more about Kellan Fluckiger and free resources
👉 https://YourUltimateLife.ca
👉 https://kellanfluckigermedia.com
🕒 Chapters
00:00 – Welcome to Your Ultimate Life – The Power Podcast
01:18 – Why Kellan created the AI & coaching conversation series
01:57 – Are Ben and Abi using AI in their work?
02:01 – Ben introduces Parafoil and leadership intelligence
03:31 – What Parafoil actually does for leaders
03:45 – How Abi uses AI with clients and as a thought partner
05:31 – What inspired Ben to build AI for leadership
07:39 – Abi’s reaction and psychology perspective on leadership tools
09:21 – Leadership, work, and the human context behind performance
11:10 – What inspired Abi to create her own AI coaching agent
14:47 – Why the coaching industry must change in the age of AI
16:58 – The real pitfalls of AI in coaching and personal growth (Abi)
22:20 – The risks of chatbots, engagement loops, and narrow thinking (Ben)
29:51 – Why 95% of coaches may disappear – and what must change
33:22 – AI as an amplifier of who you already are
36:41 – Outcomes vs methods in modern coaching and leadership
39:16 – Where to find Parafoil and how it supports coaches and leaders
40:41 – How leadership tools help coaches grow real businesses
43:10 – Praxis: turning knowledge into action
43:38 – What we haven’t talked about yet – final reflections
45:11 – Hope, opportunity, and work in an AI-driven future
46:12 – Final thanks and closing message
If you’re a coach, leader, entrepreneur, or simply someone who wants to build a life of purpose, prosperity, and joy, this episode will challenge how you think about AI – and remind you of what makes you irreplaceably human.
Subscribe, share, and listen again – these Thursday conversations are designed to spark new thinking and real growth.
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