Why Society Gets Women Completely Wrong After 50

Welcome to the show. Tired of the hype about living a dream? It's time for truth.This is the place for tools, power, and real talk, so you can create the life you dream and deserve your ultimate life. Subscribe, share, create. You have infinite power. Hello there, and welcome to this episode of your ultimate life, the podcast that I created.You know, this is our seventh year.To help you create a life of purpose, prosperity, and joy by serving with your life experience, your gifts, your talents, and all that good stuff you've accumulated today, I'm excited. I've got a special guest, Dominique Debreu, who is with me today, and she's been doing some really exciting things. Dominique, welcome to the show.

Thank you, Kellen. Great to be here.

I'm glad. And I like your message and I like what you're doing. Now, I don't do big introductions, but I do want you to start with. There's some. You know, it's.It's not very often that the work that we do turns into legislation or community action or big things like that, even though that's what we're trying to do. So you've got some exciting things happening that happened over the last year or so that I'd like you to talk about in. In your home state there.

Yeah, absolutely.

So.

Well, not even in our home state. So it's great because we're crossing borders even with it.

Oh, great.

Back in October of last year, we released the movie that I produced called Wise Women, Humanity's Untold Origins. And it is a women's empowerment and women's leadership film told through the evolutionary history of menopause. Now, why is that important?It's because right now, both medicine and our kind of cultural ideal, societal ideal is that. Or idea is that menopause is something that has happened just lately because of modern life, modern hygiene, and modern medicine.We live longer, so we outlive our fertility. And what that does is it places women's importance squarely in our fertility, in our youth, and for reproduction.But our film, and we talk to anthropologists, evolutionary biologists, neuroscientists, geneticists, et cetera, lots of thought leaders and scientists.And we have the science that shows that menopause is actually an evolutionary adaptation, that our ancestors, before we were even Homo sapiens, the female, started going into menopause because it created a freedom and a space for them to do the social organization. Once we stopped around a fire, and that created the social complexity that helped our brains grow to become the Homo sapiens that we are.So postmenopausal women helped us become the humans that we are. And that's important because that enlarges the importance of women, that we are important at every phase for different reasons.

I love that. I'm going to ask you a couple questions. Put a comma right there. I want you to come back to it.So I'm going to say that in Kellen's speak because I, I, I want to re, I, I, I like it and I want to emphasize it, but that says, okay, women have a real importance in reproductive phase. They, you know, continuity of species and their fertility, and they do that and they have kids and so forth.And somehow there was the idea that that's all that they were useful for. And after that, it's kind of whatever.And during, you know, some periods of history, dark ages when life expectancies were really short, maybe that's as long as anybody lived, men or women. Okay, but even, but before that, what you're saying is. No, there has been through history a change that happens to women, but not.I love this because what it says to me, I want you to correct me if this is wrong. So there's a creation phase, and during that time, women are more natural nurturers than men.You know, they have that love and caring and do that stuff. I mean, there's a reason that mama bear is sort of a legend. Okay, so that's all true.But that same instinct or skill, I'm not going to call it an instinct. That same skill, maybe even in a more finely developed way, because of the experience of nurturing, transforms into a different function.And the different function is shepherding, growing, nurturing the tribe in a larger sense, as opposed to the kids in a smaller sense. And so all that skill and your research with those science science groups said that, you know, no, this has been the true case for a long time.And because that nurturing took place, it allowed greater growth and greater growth, I don't know what else to call it, growth and development in the species and in our ability to do things.And so, no, the idea that fertility is the main thing is the ant is wrong and that that skill is more finely developed and then nurtures the whole tribe. And I know I've said that really poorly, but that's what I'm hearing.

No, actually, you said it in a layman's terms, so I love it. Yes, there's a couple of things that the estrogen brain is better at than the testosterone brain. And I'm saying it only a couple.Yeah, well, I'm being kind.

Only a couple. Hey, you know, we can have that discussion about the other side too, but this is your time, so roll with it.

Yeah.The main thing is the ability to keep a lot of thought thoughts and things that are being done in the front at the same time, where the testosterone brain unifocuses much better. Right. Well, that ability to keep so many thoughts and tonalities of what needs to happen front is better at social organization and social nurturing.Right. And then I'll go back to something that you said. The average lifespan. And that's kind of where we've gotten stuck because it's true. Right.When they started kind of testing out average lifespans, it was like 40, 45, 48 at most, at best. Right, right. But here's the thing.If you go and talk to an evolutionary biologist or to an anthropologist, they right away explain that back in the Middle Ages, further back, et cetera, so many humans died in infancy, right. At the most, at the time when they had the least ability, their immune system was low, you know, they were most vulnerable.And then lots of women died in childbirth. So right there, that took the average life expectancy for women way down as an average.It didn't mean that women didn't live long if they were able to get through the most vulnerable times, such as infancy and childbirth. They have found skeletons that are 60 and above, 70 and above female skeletons in our ancestors, millennia, millions.

Okay. That's actually really important. Two things came up.One is, you know, and you said that the, the structure, function of the brain for women is, is more capable of holding things, a bunch of things together. And you know what I noticed? I was just writing my. I'm married to an angel. So there's maybe a difference here because she's actually a holy angel.But anyway, she, she does this. And when you said that, I'm sitting here thinking, I wrote a note to her this morning, I get up early and she doesn't.And so she still, she makes, she's probably up now, but. And I was commenting on all the things, several of the zillion things, and saying how amazing and, and powerful it was that she was able to do that.Just, I, I was just saying all that. And when you said it, I thought, you know, we've got her mother that we're taking care of.We've got a Ukrainian refugee family that lived with us for three and a half years and just moved out about six months ago on their own, and she goes to the, the daughter's school things and she's my business partner and she runs our teams. And you know, just. And her hobby, she sells on ebay.She goes and gets old patterns, vintage patterns, and she does all this stuff and she's a good cook. And, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and I'm sitting here thinking, well, I'm living with an example of exactly what you're talking about.When I think about that stuff, I'm thinking, I can't do that, I can't do that. Or I don't know if I can. Don't think so. And so it's just a perfect example.So that, that landed for me, as you said that, because I thought, you know, I'm living with that anyway, comma, Go ahead.

Yeah, well, that's exactly it. And what you said is what makes you special, that you realize it, right? You realize it and you realize how much she does.And my husband, who directed the film, it's the same thing. He looks at me sometimes and he goes, I think my brain would explode if I had all of those things in the front at all times.

I'm constantly telling Joy, can I help you? Like, stop. Do you know that conversation? Because it overwhelms me to think about it, let alone do it. Go ahead.

Yeah.The thing is, is, so the, the, the phrase that got Chris and I motivated to make a movie about it is that a pretty high level menopause doctor said to him, we have to treat menopause as nature's mistake. Right? Yeah.

It just blows me away.

Bingo. The hubris. Nature doesn't make mistake. Nature shows us what we're meant to do.So if we take a look at nature, we are still 50, 50 divided between men and women. And, and that's a big kind of binary generalization. I think there's a lot more shades than just two genders.But the point is we're, we're still that kind of breakdown. So what that means is nature wants us together. And the best way that, and this is a way that Chris has explained it.If you remember years ago when the first color screens on computers came out, they were super pixelated, right? So green had maybe a few tonalities, red a few tonalities, et cetera, et cetera.Now, the computer screens, each color has so many tonalities that sometimes things look better on your computer screen than in reality, right?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Billions. I mean, if it doesn't have at least a billion color gamut, then it's like, yeah, it's a crappy screen.

Exactly. That's the difference between the two brains.When I have an opinion or look at a certain idea, I've got so many tonalities of green in front of me, whereas Chris has a few. Right. The strength of having that together is amazing.I can say to him, look, you might not be looking at the emotional side of what our daughter is going through or, you know, the. The side that comes from her friends and this and. And I show him all the tonalities.But in making a decision, sometimes I see so much that it's like, where am I going to go? And I go to him and I start talking and he goes, isn't this green shining a little bit brighter than the rest? So you see what I mean?We need both to work together.

Yeah, absolutely. So I love it. So you made this movie and we were talking originally about how it's turning into something across borders and boundaries.So keep going from where you were.

Absolutely. So first of all, the movie is out for rental. We're on a great new platform called bingeable.net, binge able.net and you can.

So B I N G E able binge able.net I just want to make sure the spelling because, you know.

Exactly, exactly. So you can go on there, find the film easily or if you want to make it even easier, binge able.net forward/wise women. But it's.And it's been renting and we have influencers talking about it all the time. And it's amazing. And we're getting amazing feedback from the women who watch it and men. But even more excited about it.We're doing screenings with universities and different groups.And on May 30th at the Pawtucket Historical center in Rhode island, we are doing a screening with Senator Lori Erso, she is a Rhode island senator that last year she was the first to put forward a bill that women who are going through perimenopause and menopause can have special help in Rhode island companies. Right. Special support. Because what she saw is.And it's not just in Rhode island, but throughout the US we are losing huge amounts of the workforce because women get to a point and the transition is challenging. And we're also got ageism and belief systems that we are no longer important, relevant or visible. And so women just leave the workforce.They're like, we've had enough. And so she put forward the bill and it got passed on the first vote. And with that she wants to do a screening of our film.And then she's bringing us on the Senate floor the week before or a week and a half before to talk about the film, because there are other states that are looking to do the same thing.And it really should be nationally that we look to support women going through that transition, because we go through that transition to become the wisdom holders and the leaders.

So that's really cool. Now you said she. Is that a state senate or is she the U.S. senate from Rhode Island?

No, she's a state senator.

State senator.And so she passed, got a bill passed in Rhode island that affects Rhode Islanders, but she's also reaching out and having larger ripples and by bringing it on the floor and so forth. So what is the date that you guys are going to go onto the Senate floor?

We're setting it up now, so I'm not sure yet. By the time you put this on, I will have given you the date and you can put it in the description.

Okay, cool. So that's amazing.You know, I was guest a few months ago that was responsible in Australia for the passing of a bill that limited social media for kids under 16. And that was a couple of years ago. And it was bec.The reason is because his daughter, because when she was 13 or 14 or whatever, anorexia, getting all kinds of stuff from social, blah, blah, blah, she ended up dying because of it. So he, you know, for years he's like, okay, we're going to fix this.And it ended up getting into Parliament and Australia bill, etc, etc, and after that got passed, which was like a year ago, the conversation has started in the U.S. senate. And so now they're having conversations about et cetera, et cetera.The reason I'm telling you that isn't to move away from your topic, but to say one person doing one thing has an impact. And so you said, and you got your husband who makes movies, he's a filmmaker. You didn't.You said he directed it, but he's done a lot of other things too. So he's not a novice. I know that because of our other conversation.I just want to encourage you and I want each person who's listening to this show to understand you matter. And just like Dominique, if you've got a thing, man, raise your voice and do the thing. Go ahead.

Yeah.And the thing that I've seen from talking to women about the film, from women watching the film, and we did almost 3,000 test screenings before we even released the film. So it's been years of women watching the film and getting feedback.And the biggest thing has been that no one has Been surprised at this science, right? It hasn't been that women think, oh, I thought I was just declining. I thought I was just supposed to go out to pasture.No, it's an inner knowing that women are transitioning to something special post menopause and they just haven't had the receipts. You know, here's the science that, that it's true.And so what I hope is that this film gives women the permission to listen to their inner voice and to speak their voice, because we need that right now.

We do, we, we need it in spades.I mean, if you look at the structure, struggles and the things that are going on around the world and we're not going to get sidetracked on talking about any particular thing, but we see so much of it and the wisdom and tenacity and nurturing and power of, you know, we said mama Bear ahead of time. I mean, that's a legendary thing. But mothers protect their young.And in that, in this context, in a larger sense, the nurturing and you know, makes me, you want to use words like cradling and helping or whatever of the common collective and consciousness. And so there's no question in my mind that women have, that, have that skill and we need it, we need it badly.And you know, I think I mentioned to you before the native tribes in the US at least in the Southwest. My wife and I were docents for a few years at the Heard Museum in Phoenix.You know, they, they had the matriarchal thing where the women were sort of the, the, the, the long standing voice and sometimes they made the decisions and sometimes not quite, but they had a big voice in it, but it was the same function. And so that was just another validation historically in these tribes of what you're saying.

Yeah, I, I've heard the difference, the explanation of patriarchy versus matriarchy. Right.That patriarchy is more a rule from the top where it's very much decision, a few decision makers and then everybody else follows where matriarchy is the decision from the community. What does the community need and what do we need to move forward, what do our children need, et cetera. And then decisions are made from there.

You know, that feels good as a good description. Sorry, keep going.

I think so, but whether that's true or not, I think what's happening right now with the patriarchy is not working for us. It's not natural.So whether we move towards a type of matriarchy or what I call it is a balanced archy, because right now, even though women are 50% of the population. We're maximum at like 26 to 28% of leadership between political and business in North America and the rest of the world is like 17 to 18%.So even if we could balance the voices, think of the differences. The, you know, less war, more climate change, or less climate change, taking care of the climate. So many changes that I think are necessary.

Well, it's certainly, I agree that there's a need to get that balance, and I think so. I'm grateful for the work that you're doing and for the voice that you're raising to do that.So you made this movie, you have this amazing opportunity with this law that got passed in Rhode island, which is this tiny little state in the corner of the US and can have a big ripple impact as the, the work that you have chosen to do, supported in this balanced way by your husband, modeling the very thing that you're talking about. What is the vision like? You've got it on bingeable.net bingeable.net to rent to watch.You've gotten over 3,000 screenings, which blows my mind just in terms of before you released it, not counting all the things that have rented. You're going to go on the Senate floor in Rhode Island. What is the push to go national? What is your plan with that?

The plan is so what we've seen.It's been challenging for us to get traditional press on this because there's so many crazy things happening all the time that, you know, a small story about postmenopausal women, it seems to be the, the reaction that we get. So what we've been doing is using the phone tree or I don't know if you remember the old commercial, I told two friends and she told two friends.

And so I do remember that phrase.

Yeah, yeah. We've been using that to get the message of the film out there. And we've started getting a good amount of influencers contacting us back.And we've been doing podcasts with them on our substack, which is called Wise Women Forward. And they're putting the film out there. And so as many organizations, influencers, just women who will speak about the film, what we want to do.You know, I try to keep it realistic because I'm more the, the, the women mind to have at least 100,000 women watch it, but really a million women watching it and spreading the message and releasing their voice and doing something, doing anything to make our future better.

So I'm hearing three specific things, and I want to Say them explicitly. So people hearing this can do this.Number one, if you are a woman and whether you are at that time of life or not or you know somebody, your mom or whatever, you know right now, like, I know somebody that I'm thinking of right now. And maybe after we record, you know, this might be interesting for them just in terms of stuff they're doing. So remind me when we're done.But watch this movie. It's not that difficult to find bingeable.net you know, a couple of bucks and you, I don't know, how much is it to rent?

6 99.

Okay, $7. And you get to be part of what could be a world changing movement. So watch the movie.The second thing is if, if you, if you see it and nobody's asking for people to do stuff they don't believe in, but if you see it and it moves something in you, it has. For me, I see this example in my wife, the work that my wife and I did as docents at the Museum of the Southwest Indians in Phoenix.You know, we see this example. So it says to me, oh, wow, this is. Yeah.And so you have the opportunity to tell somebody else and say, there, there is a new thing happening that is revealing something that has always existed but has been hidden or not taken full advantage of. And it's particularly important right now, given the turmoil in the world, if we can have a stabilizing voice. So if it moves you, then do something.So watch the movie, say something to others.And if you happen to be in a position to leverage this message, like you have a show or you know, somebody that does, or you belong to a group, you know, of women or mixed group that you know, needs to hear this message, then take it there. Like you could have a screening and of that, you know, in your group.So there's three specific things that you can do to spread this message and make a difference. And I just wanted to mention those to you guys listening, all of you, women and men listening, because this is an important thing.

Yeah, yeah.

All right, comma, go ahead. So that's what I was hearing.

Okay. And you know, and this is for your listeners who feel like, yes, but I'm not comfortable putting my voice out there and it's challenging, et cetera.I am scared to death. We made a movie and I'm comfortable speaking about the movie.But sometimes when it's just me going on social media and speaking my opinions about what's going on, it's challenging. And I also am starting to write a book because I have a nutritional background, a holistic health background.And so it's all of that information of getting yourself through the menopausal transition with the science of the importance of the phase of life that you're going into. And I have gotten to a certain point in the book and I am now, like, blocked by fear.So I'm speaking that to let people know that you can do things, even through the scariness, and that's the most important time to do them.

I'm grateful that you said that, because then that's a fourth thing. The first things, watch a movie. The second things, tell people about it. The third thing is if you happen to have a leverage mechanism, use it.And the fourth and perhaps the most important thing is to realize that your voice matters. The yearning that you have to lift, to bless, to serve, to make a noise, to make a difference matters, even if you're only one person.And I couldn't echo that loudly enough. I stand on mountaintops and scream that all the time. Virtual mountaintops, you know, because it's true. And you know what the other truth is?That 80 to 85% of people involved in personal development and growth and all that stuff are women. That is it.The by far the majority of people, most of the clients that I serve, either in coaching or in helping them write their stories, write their books, that kind of stuff. Most of them are women. There are some men, but most of them are women. And they're doing what you said.They're deciding to raise their voice and say what they have to say and not be afraid anymore. So I echo and support your encouragement not to be afraid.

Thank you.

Or to work through the fear or whatever you want to call it. Get the help you need. Like, you don't got to do this alone. You are not alone. There's zillions of you that are wanting and feeling to do this.

Yep. Yep. Yeah.I actually just yesterday wrote an article for our substack that's titled no One Wants to Hear from Me because that's the negative messaging that keeps coming back in my mind. And yeah, I, you know, from years of therapy and looking into things, etc. I know where it comes from, all of that.But it doesn't matter where it comes from. If you keep it in there, it starts feeling like you're saying it to yourself. And the truth is that it's not true.And who cares if somebody doesn't want to hear from you? Speak anyway, because it's necessary and there's going to be People who need to hear what you're saying to what I'm hearing.

There is. Okay, you're going to feel that way. Nobody wants to hear from me. Who cares what I have to say? Somebody else already said it better.78 Versions of that thing. And what you're saying is you. Yes, you're right. Maybe there are going to be people who don't want to hear from you. Mostly they probably don't care.But if one person in a hundred that you talk to needs to hear your voice and it will change their world, then speak up.

Exactly. Exactly.

And you know what the worst thing that can happen is? 99 People don't like it. So bingo, you saved one, you served one, you blessed one, you showed one the flashlight and the way.I'm sorry I interrupted you. Keep going.

No, no, it's fine. We did a local screening with a local university and a couple of the professors had their students come. And so there were some young men there.And during the Q and A afterwards, a 19 year old young man stood up and said, thank you for making this film. I understand my mother and my sisters so much better. And I feel like I have gotten knowledge that I really needed. We were blown away. We did.I mean, there's been a lot of men who have come up to Chris specifically and said, thank you for making this movie. But a 19 year old kid, we never expected that. So you never know.

You're right. And I want to even encourage you, specifically Dominique and all those that are listening more. They're going to be people who need to hear you.There really are. And so you're serving them. Your voice is not alone. And we all need to hear it. I want to hear it.And I listened to, I talked up zillions of people because of all the shows that I do, I want to hear the message.And I applaud that 19 year old's courage for saying, you know, I needed this because then that means people are open and listening and looking instead of not. And so bless your heart for doing this.So tie in the nutritional background and the, the work that you do, because it's one thing to say, okay, that's not an evolutionary mistake. It is the transition to a place of more support, nurturing wisdom and a bunch of other things that we've already talked about.But it, but it sounds to me like is there are other things like body awareness, nutrition and other kinds of things to support that transition. The kids are growing up right. Okay, we just had a little kitten, so my wife loves cats. Little kitten got her when she was just a few weeks old.Now she's not quite a cat. I think that officially happens when she's one. But you know, the saying is, well, the kittens need more this.So we buy different food for little kitty cats, little kittens. Okay, what you're telling me is as the body goes into this transition period, the needs are probably different and so forth.So talk a little bit about that.

Absolutely.So first of all, to be just really kind of ground root with this, when you go through menopause, a lot of the stuff that when you had more youth or more hormones you could do that wasn't great for your body and you knew it wasn't great for your body, but you could get away with it. Once you go through menopause, you kind of, you can't get away with it anymore.So to begin with, eating well, sleeping well, moving well becomes what should be your everyday right. Not that you can't have a day or a meal or you know, a weekend where things go off a little bit.But mostly eating well, sleeping well and moving well. And what those mean is let's stop the diet culture for weight loss because that is also something that has shut women's mouths and kept us smaller.It's not about being skinnier or smaller, it's about being healthy. So are you getting enough protein? Are you getting enough fiber? Are you getting the right fats in your body?And yes, you need some carbs because they help the endocrine system.So whatever other hormones you still have in your system, then when you're moving, you are doing, you're lifting weights, you're lifting heavier than if you, even if you lifted weights when you were younger, smaller reps, heavier weight. Of course you build up to it, but you want to keep muscle tone.And then you're doing things like sprint intervals and jumping to keep your bones awake and realizing that they need to keep growing.

Well, that's wonderful. So I'm going to ask you then where like you've given some very, very, very high level tips and I'm sure there's a zillion.I don't, I'm not sure I know there's a zillion people out there trying to tell everybody what to eat, sleep and how to exercise.But specifically with the research that you've done and with your background is in nutrition, where would someone go to find more specifics about what you are teaching? And trying to get women to understand will be in their own best interest.

So I started a YouTube channel a few years ago called Food Lady Dominique Debreu. So you can go on there and there's a great deal of video recipes of all sorts of nutritional stuff.I am now restarting the side of it for all the menopausal information and writing this book. So soon you'll have a much greater possibility of information specifically for your menopausal transition and post menopausal life.And here's something that I want to make clear on the don't think skinny, think healthy. And I've known this for years as I've been going through my transition, because the movie started 11 years ago when I was going into menopause.So it's been that long. I'm 60 now. I knew then my body changed and I was being super healthy and it was not losing the level of subcutaneous fat that I had taken on. Right.And whatever I did, and I even tried to push it because of the skinny culture of the diet culture that I came from, my body kept letting me know, no, I don't want to change.And then I started realizing and learning about how the subcutaneous fat was giving me a type of estrogen that was helping my bones and et cetera, et cetera, and a lot of other reasons.And then finally, a couple of years ago, finally medical research has come forward saying that gaining one to two pounds a year during your transition, which is exactly what happened to me, because transitions take seven to 10 years, is very healthy for your longevity. So stop thinking thin, start thinking healthy for women.

Wow. You know, that kind of stuff. Like I didn't know that. And no, I'm not a woman and so whatever, but I didn't know that.And there's all kinds of things that I'm sure that I don't know and that the listeners don't know. So what is the book going to be called and when do you imagine you'll have it finished?

I don't know what it's going to be called yet.

Ah, okay.

Like, yeah, that's, that's the place where I know everything that needs to be in it. And I think it's like the, the Men the Girlfriend's Menopause Guide, because it's really from a position of somebody who has gone through it.I have knowledge, but I also have a tremendous ability to research. So much so that Chris and I found new science. But it's really a very understandable book of all of the things that we need answers to.

Well, that's wonderful. I can't wait. And so, yeah.So if I look up Food Lady Dominique on YouTube and I don't put the last name, if I just look up Food Lady Dominique, will I likely find you?

Absolutely.

Okay, cool.

Actually, lately, just even putting Food lady, you'll find me.

All right. Food lady or Food Lady Dominique. Yeah.So look at the old stuff, and this maybe will be a incentive to get the new stuff flowing more quickly because you're talking about it.So tell me now, what didn't we talk about that's near and dear to your heart that you've either done or you're doing or you want us to go away with as. As we get close to the end here?

Sure. Especially because it's May and it's Women's Health Month. What's great is that we're finally talking about that and we have a Women's Health Month.Right. To pay attention to, because women's health has really been understudied most of, like things like BMI and our health and weight and etc.Was always studied on men, and we were just seen as smaller men. Right. So all of that is getting attention to, and we are doing research on women's bodies, women's issues, and finding therapies.So keep asking for what you need and don't give up. And if one doctor is not working for you, find another one.

That's wonderful and good advice since things change so fast, so much studies and new discoveries and attitudes, you know, approaches and willingness to study and learn and grow.So the last thing is, is there anywhere else besides Food Lady Dominique and looking for the movie and the things we outlined earlier that we need to know about where to go to find out more about you or what you're doing or anything else. Where are those places?

Sure.You can also go to wisewomenmovie.com and that's our movie website, so you can also learn a little bit more about me, but also see the trailer for the movie.

All right, the trailer. Wisewomenmovie.com I love that.Dominique, I just want to thank you for everything that you're doing, for the heart and love you're putting into the world and for. See, this kind of raising of the voice is what you're talking about.You know, you can feel like you're afraid, but I think your message is important and I think it's powerful, and I hope and wish the best for you and thank you for sharing with us today.

Thank you so much, Kellen. This is a wonderful podcast and I'm so grateful for it.

All right. Well, listen, listeners, you know, you notice this every guest. I have such diversity, such stuff. But they're all talking truth. And you know what?They're all talking from lived experience and the story of your life. The story of your lived experience is the most important gift you have to offer to the world.And if you choose to do that, what you'll notice is it helps you create impact, wealth and live a fulfilling life. That's what I've been calling your ultimate life. Right here, right now. Your opportunity for massive growth is right in front of you.Every episode gives you practical tips and practices that will change everything. If you want to know more, go to kellenfluetigermedia.com if you want more free tools, go here.Your ultimate life ca subscribe, Share sky and your feet on the ground.