Why the Most Authentic Version of You Feels So Uncomfortable

Kellan Fluckiger00:00:02

Welcome to the show. Tired of the hype about living a dream? It's time for truth.This is the place for tools, power, and real talk, so you can create the life you dream and deserve your ultimate life. Subscribe, share, create. You have infinite power. Hello, and welcome to your ultimate life.The podcast that I created help you live a life of purpose, prosperity and joy by serving with your gifts, your life experience, and the skills that you've learned. Today, I've got a special guest, Michael Lovich. Michael, welcome to the show.

Michael Lovitch00:00:46

Yeah, glad to be here. This is fun.

Kellan Fluckiger00:00:49

Yeah, I don't. I don't do big intros. I'd rather have the stuff come out in the show. And so it's a pleasure to have you.

Michael Lovitch00:01:00

Yeah, Good. Good to be here.

Kellan Fluckiger00:01:03

All right, cool.

Michael Lovitch00:01:03

Yeah.

Kellan Fluckiger00:01:04

So I will ask you to just a question to get started here, and that's really simple. If you're not modest at all and you just talk about something, I'm going to ask you a question.I'd like you to tell me how Michael is intentionally adding good to the world right now. I know you are, because I know some stuff about you, but I want you to tell the listeners how you're adding good to the world.

Michael Lovitch00:01:30

I mean, I try to be a kind person. Most of all, I mean this. I'm more of a local person. So overall, I kind of believe in community, kindness.I think I'm pretty good to the community and my family and those kind of things, but to the world, I kind of have a gift for finding things that work. I'm really curious and kind of bringing them to people. So in the past, I've found some really expert people and then brought their work to the world.And now I've discovered something pretty interesting that seems to help a lot of people. And my job is to get that to people in an ethical way without causing another problem. So that's kind of where I am.I'm bringing something that they can help people kind of come back to themselves, have a better time, connect, live a more authentic life to them, like, be the weirdo they're meant to be. Like, accept who they are and have fun doing it through music.

Kellan Fluckiger00:02:24

I'm going to ask you to describe it more in a minute. So I love that you said you have a gift. And the gift is two gifts.One, you're curious, and two, you want the way that this curiosity manifests, or at least one way is finding people who have cool stuff and then helping them bring it to the world in a particular way. Now you've done that successfully in the past and created some successful business. But right now, and we might talk about that in a minute.Right now you've got a particular tool and I picked this background on purpose with outer space and music in it because it is a little bit, has a little bit to do with what you do. And this is another thing you're trying to bring to the world.And you said it makes people feel good and return to themselves and allows them to be the weirdo that they are. Which I like that. So tell me about this, tell me about this tool, what you. What it does.

Michael Lovitch00:03:17

Well, it's not a full pitch. I mean I'm.And the first thing is I'm like the last person, if you know me to bring something like this because this is based on birth chart based on when you know that if you believe in astrology, human design or any other birth chart derived thing, this is that I did not believe. I'm 56. Five years ago I would have like laughed myself out of the room.I kind of had an experience where astrology blew me away and I couldn't explain it. And I'm. Yeah, the biggest thing of me is I don't know if the gift or not a gift or a curse. Because I'm curious. I just gotta know. So this is kind of.I stumbled upon this technology when I was like really hated the fact that astrology was true because I really don't like, I don't want to be a new ager, but I guess I am now. Like I don't want to be into all this stuff, but it was undeniable.

Kellan Fluckiger00:04:04

Why not? I'm going to interrupt you. Why? What did you object to that? Why didn't you want to have anything to do with the woo woo crap?

Michael Lovitch00:04:11

Oh man. For a lot of reasons. I mean the way you're raised. I was raised very academically for one. I'm very. I prefer gritty. I mean I love dive bars.I like the seedy side of life. I mean I like those people and the people who are new age and maybe now I'm meeting people who are. Who believe in that.What I call weird stuff that are like down to earth but that kind of maybe the garments, the putting scarves on and just the. It seemed performative and it just seemed out there and it was kind of like seemed to have escaped. Seem to be an escape from reality.I don't believe that anymore. But you know, just my, all my judgments, this is the way I was raised.And so it's Hard, you know, you don't uncondition yourself so quickly when you have 51 years of believing one thing really solidly, like science. And, you know, and I've studied. I mean, UC Davis, I studied academic hypnosis, trance. So I'm really into the power of the mind and what it can do.And I brought that out academically, but it's.Yeah, I was like, well, you know, why would you need to believe in this weird stuff when it's all so interesting in your brain and you can think thoughts and change. That's true. So it just seemed like an extra step that was unnecessary. And the vibe of the crowd wasn't really my thing.So it's weird now that now I'm like, well, you guys are right. Right.

Kellan Fluckiger00:05:25

So that's interesting because you said you went to UC Davis, and I was born in San Francisco and grew up in the Bay Area, so down the street from you down there.

Michael Lovitch00:05:33

Right.

Kellan Fluckiger00:05:34

But anyway, um. But you said the power of the mind and hypnosis, and that means intentionality and focus and the transmission of intention.You know, there's an experiment that I know about the alpha particle decay of plutonium 420 or whatever it is, that that can be varied just by thinking, you know, statistically, significantly, not a lot. Which demonstrates in the lab the power of intention. So we know all that's true.So why was it such a gigantic leap to think that other things like gravitational fields or positions of other planetary bodies or rotations or larger fields were like, out to lunch?

Michael Lovitch00:06:13

Except for some. Like, not. Like, the research on. It's not there yet. And I like research, so that was one. And I'm conditioned to, like, research.And the research on hypnosis, meditation, things like that, very solid. And that's what I brought out. And then even the hypnosis world, when I came out and started publishing, I licensed academic trances. I even made.I thought 99% of the people out there were bullshit, bullshit. Because they were like, making these weird claims. And I was like, I can prove what we're doing here.And so I was very like, okay, there's a power of the brain and you can do all this, and it's incredible, but why do you have to make shit up? So then they were going too far. And they weren't even, like, studying their method. All. They were loose. And I like rigorous. So, yeah, so even.

Kellan Fluckiger00:06:56

That's a good reason. I get it.

Michael Lovitch00:06:58

Even. Even within the field, I was like, most of these people are full of it. So that's. This way my brain works.And when I was in the nutritional supplement world, all my stuff was double blind studied. Bunch of people just had crap supplements and they didn't research them. And I thought that was a sin. So I just don't like.Yeah, I was very much like, I like to. I don't like bullshit. And then astrology I thought was bullshit, but then I had a reading that was like, you got to be kidding me.And I tried to disprove it and then it happened again. Then I had to go down the path of how in the world does this have any effect?Which is still crazy to me, but I had to go down a different pathway of how things might be. And it all ended. And of course I went down the kind of Vedic route and it's crazy. And that's where you get mantra.It's just almost anybody into spirituality, not all things, but a big majority. There's a big influence of that philosophy. Kind of in the beginning there was sound and nothing and it's vibrational. It's all sound and vibration.That's the whole. If you're in the meditation, Buddhism, all that, it's all the, that seems to be the ontological background that has documentation.And that's where I went and it to say I understand it. No way. I mean, I'm only four or five, four to five years into this. I'm a rookie.So I'm not going to act like I even get it because that's disrespectful to the people who spent their lives doing this. So I'm learning, man. I'm on the journey and I don't have. Because I was so wrong before, I'm really hesitant to say that hey, this is the way it is.Because being wrong, you know, I'm trying to be careful and I'm a rookie.

Kellan Fluckiger00:08:32

You know what I love about this right now more than anything I see?But the rigor played a role here because you had rigorous tendencies and that rigor made you know that a lot of the stuff even in the fields you were studying and has lots of proof was BS because it was without rigor and the claims were exaggerated.But it was that very rigor that when you saw something that contradicted or could not be disproven, that was outside of your box, instead of blowing it off or saying it's a mistake or an anomaly or whatever, you said, wait a minute, I can't explain this, I have to go do that. And I love that. And the second thing I love is just the Raw excitement and energy with which you talk about this.Because I talk to boatloads of people.

Michael Lovitch00:09:20

Yeah.

Kellan Fluckiger00:09:21

On interviews and I'm on tons of shows and you know, thousands. And it is so interesting to me to see and meet people whose energetic construct is congruent and transmits so clearly.And that's another piece of evidence that these transmission things that we're talking about are real. Because I can sense your excitement, commitment, your reticence to make big claims because you say rookie.Just the entire congruence of this conversation. And that's what's most fun for me. So keep going. That was just a sidebar. Comma.

Michael Lovitch00:09:56

This world's been fun navigating. It's a whole new world to me and the people are different.I mean everybody, you know, and at first I thought everybody within this people like you were like just full of it. And then I'm finding out really sweet people. There's a whole world out here. Really.I've talked, you know, my, most of my friends are still like, they think I'm crazy, right. And they love me, but they're like,.

Kellan Fluckiger00:10:14

Well, you are, but that's okay.

Michael Lovitch00:10:17

They're like, you're batshit now. I'm like, yeah, I'm batshit. I feel like I kind of bought a ticket to crazy town and I'm not going back and I'm having fun with it. Right.So it's kind of like kind of rest time just taking the ride now. But the people are really cool in this community too. Like it's. Yeah.Like it's weird how you can judge something and then all of a sudden you're like, wait, these people are pretty fun and they're open minded and it's like anything's possible. So it's kind of like trying on a. You know, like when you're an adolescent you try on a new hat. Like today I'm going to try punk.That's kind of how I feel like I get to try on a new world. Like I never joined this click before and I used to think they were weird, but this click's pretty fun. Sorry. It's a good time.

Kellan Fluckiger00:10:54

Yeah. Well then tell me, tell me now about what it led to. So you had a reading? A couple of readings that were based on astrology.

Michael Lovitch00:11:02

I published doctorate level therapists. I mean the best in the world for eight years. And I figured I should be in therapy about. I mean it was their work.But I was kind of the emcee of the whole company. I wrote the blog and had a lot of therapy. So when I got these readings, it was like. And I would get a different therapist every six months.Pretty well known. And it's like they had my therapist notes. So it just blew my mind because I'm like, how?Like, I wouldn't have known the stuff about myself that these, the Vedics and even the Tropical were giving me if I wouldn't have so much therapy. So I got my mind blown. I was like, like calling out my therapist, like, to get this information about me. This is nuts.Yeah, that's what I basically figured out. I have a lot of friends. I mean, I'm kind of connected. And I was like, where do I go? And I started reading. That's great.But I'm like, I want to get in India. It's weird if you're spiritual, they like money, so zoom's great. So I just started getting readings from the top of the top of Vedic astrologers.But I'd be like, hey, instead of reading, can I pay? I'll pay you your rate for eight hours. I'm going to record this. So instead of getting readings, I would interview something, you know, kind of.It's kind of networking your way to the people and the different tribes of Vedic. And it was crazy. And they would tell me, so I'd read about the ontology, but I wanted it from them. So you start. I started like, oh, wow.And then you kind of feel it. Then what got into me is the sound thing, because I love music. And then.So in Vedic, not all tribes, like, that's considered the prescription, the diagnosis. But then they give you two mantra people, right?There's different, you know, mantra Sasta and the Sri Vita, they work together with your birth chart to give you your sound. Like, whoa. So then I'm like, I want a sound, right? So I got. And I worked my way. I'm paying quite a bit of money for these. And I got.Then when I got my mantra sound, which is really a syllable, right? But that came from my bird chart and some other stuff. And I do a lot of psychedelics. I always have.And, man, when I started doing my mantra sound, that was mine. It was like tripping without drugs. It's crazy town. So I'm like, this is what is going on here? So I just kind of took the ride.But then I'm also like, so it's sound. But then. So then also I'm a business person. So I wasn't doing this for business. I was doing this because it was just.I had to know it was a Great ride. But then I was like, wait, Google, like, why isn't anybody giving you stuff from your.Except for you have to go to, like, these esoteric places in India to get your sound from your birth chart. Where's that? I'm like, this is cool. So then that you know how your goals change.First I wanted to understand, and then I was like, just by accident got turned onto the sound stuff. And I'm like, nobody's. Where is it? You know, like, that's kind of how the next part of the journey started.

Kellan Fluckiger00:13:48

And I kind of cool, then keep going. I want to know what happened. And I love that. I love the thread, you know, getting through it. So keep going.

Michael Lovitch00:13:54

Yeah, because, like, if anybody does transcendental meditation, which is super cool, Jerry Seinfeld does it. David Lynch. That's mantra work. And you have to. And now I know. And I thought, they're just making up your word, right?Because I remember I never paid for TM because I say, well, it's just a bunch of bullshit. I'll make up my own word. Now I know I didn't work for me because actually you should. I should have paid for my word. But anyway, shit's real.So the plug there. You should actually pay to have an expert get you your syllable. But it's beyond syllable. So then I got anyway at zoom. So I don't have the story.I flew to India and I live with tribes, you know, I wish I had this great story that it was all zoom. And a lot of it was like, Covid area, you know, so that. So it's all very zoom. But I kind of form relationships. And I was like, more.And the way they do it, I'm like, can we get frequencies from without the vowels? Because the vowels are frequencies. The way you say things, they can in this whole lineage. And then it's kind of private for them. They don't want.They were willing to kind of share this. Like, there's more to this, but I'm not allowed to get it. They gave me enough for me to give you frequencies.They're not giving me enough to make your mantra. Because that's theirs, man. And no matter how much I would pay them, they're not giving it to me.But they're willing to, like, go, cool, we'll give you part of it. That's kind of how this came. So I basically, now and then, it's. I could do. This would be hours and hours.And also to say, I understand it would be crazy. I just would ask them for these Things they do it, I test it.So what I was able to get from part of Sriravita, that's all I'm going to say because they're kind of don't. They kind of like me. Okay. But they don't really want to be. You know what I'm saying? They don't want every bunch of people.That's not the reality they live in. They're willing to do this. So I could. Yeah. So net net we can take frequency, you know, from your birth charts.If you're into human design or astrology or anything. They're all interesting gene key. And when you do that you're getting the reason people pay so much for readings and that is you get personal insight.You get to like understand kind of what you're here to do. You understand how to connect. That's why a lot of people use that for relationships.You understand like you don't get energy from it, but you know what might energize you, you know, so you. And then you kind of know the weather for you. So you don't predict the stock market with these things.But because of the cycles, because once you're embedded with your, who you are. I mean astrology wouldn't work unless there's a embed.Some people call it the incarnate self, a million words for it helps you kind of like get a better sense of what might go on today. But otherwise. But you got to like get readings and they'll tell you and then all the stuff they can tell you about yourself.And they also like when to take opportunity, when not to. So I can now have that translated into sound because you are born with four frequencies, they don't change and you always kind of have access.That's why people do silent retreats and they meditate. So whenever somebody like I got to make a big decision, I'm going to go silent. Right. There's all kinds of ways in. And that's how you.That's a part of yourself you're accessing. There's more to that. This isn't everything, but the part of yourself that orients you is what we're giving you access to.The part that astrology and human design would tell you, not your whole life and so much more to this. I mean we're a small segment of health, not the whole world. We're not your whole soul. We're not doing that. This is just this kind of cool.And it's very similar except for you imagine getting that not viscerally visually you might Feel it. But it's not about the feeling. It's. You get downloads, but they're not in words. So now you kind of feel what might be right for you.You can feel the person that you should connect with. Your instincts and intuition are off the charts. So it's. Imagine getting that through a sense and over time that resonating.So we do, unlike anybody else is we amplify what you already have through pure biofeedback. When you listen to these frequencies without doing anything, it's like a tuning fork to a guitar string starts vibrating. That resonates, amplifies.So in the noisy world, we give you access to those frequencies even when it's noisy. So everything else.

Kellan Fluckiger00:18:01

Hold on a second. So what I'm hearing, you mentioned four frequencies.So from things that are part of like human design and astrology and so forth, which is birth, time, place and location, all that kind of stuff, you, you are able to distill four frequencies is what I heard you say.And those four frequencies are unique to you and they are tools that allow you to develop and sharpen or amplify intuitive senses about what you can do, can't do, should do connection decisions, that sort of thing. Is that what you're saying?

Michael Lovitch00:18:42

Yeah. Who you are. I mean, we're still trying to figure it out. I mean like now I did a one year test and I kind of have like, you know, it's.Imagine like having a better sense of your true self. Not your. Because you know, you, we talk, you have your conditioned self, right? And you have your DNA.But like this is kind of a different kind of stuff. This is kind of who you're supposed to be. And imagine being able to access that, you know, a lot more.And so some people, when they listen, it's really, it's like, whoa. And they like come from some people. It's uncomfortable.But if you've been living very off and now we're turning that up, it's like when you do good psychedelics, you're like, whoa, I'm not living my life. And it's sometimes painful. It's like sometimes you do, sometimes you just psychedelics. Like, yeah, oh well, I got to make a change.So sometimes when you're. These get, they're tuned up, you're now getting access. And sometimes it can be uncomfortable because there's no fighting that self. I mean there is.Most people repress it if it's not cool. So you'll see that people are kind of more vibrant in life. They're more allowing themselves People who are repressed. And there's always weird things.This allows that to be louder. So if you haven't really heard yourself and it's not your fault. I mean, we all have weird conditioning.I mean, who hasn't had a weird brain in this world? So we sometimes stifle that. And now we can put it in front of you, do what you want with it, but the more you're open.But it's not always a great ride. I mean, I like the ride, but it's may bring up some stuff and maybe you're like, well, I'm really attracted to this person.But then now you're feeling like, no, you know, maybe you should listen. So maybe you can listen to. Maybe that's not the right person. Maybe your brain is conditioned to like go for an opportunity. But now you can feel.It's like, no. You know, it's up to you whether to listen. Man.

Kellan Fluckiger00:20:23

So this is interesting. So we have all these externalities. We have family, society, and a boatload of other things that impose externalities or conditions upon us.And what you're saying is most of the time, and I will be bold and say nearly all the time, that set of conditioning is not congruent with who you actually are. Because how could it be? It is what it is. And what you're saying is you, you have. You are these things and listening to these frequencies.And so what we've identified so far, there are four frequencies.And I know you have a whole more, a bit more than that in terms of how you use those frequencies, because, you know, I've seen it and listen, so I want to get to that in a minute. But the conflict is you have all this externality imposed, either what you did or what's been done around you that you've accepted.And then you are exposed to these frequencies. And it might be difficult because it causes you to think and feel in a different way, because these then amplify the truth.And the truth to the extent that it's in conflict, which is guaranteed to be some, a little or a lot with who you are, can be uncomfortable, it can be enlightening, it can be inviting, it can be a lot of things. And then you get to decide to do nothing, to ignore it, or to allow that to even amplify more and do something with it.

Michael Lovitch00:21:46

Exactly. And. And there's so many other tools for.That's why people do like you have it now, like when you get a good astrology reading, a good therapist, I mean, so many good cabal like so many guides out there that help you. People are open. It does help you to know because they kind of help tell you that part of yourself anyway. Right.And so a lot of people are responsive to that. It's a big help. So these are great things. We're just doing it, making it easier to find.Like when you combine what we do with good therapy or a reading, it's even better because you're getting. If you have a. A talented person actually doing it for you. Because they're not all. But now when they're.We have so many fans who are using human design, astrology, they don't give up their readings because it only, like now it's easier to understand them. That makes them more real. So it's not a. I don't look, I hate to go, like, now do this, get rid of that. I think it makes.I think you should do them both, man. We're deciding, you know, like, so. Yeah. Because people do get help by insights. I don't want to bash. Getting insights. That'd be so silly.So just when you get the word is transmitting it through sound and vibration. Some people transmit by knowledge, but then you look at qigong, they're doing it through the body. Right. So that's also a way in. I mean, that's.Qigong's so fucking amazing. We have.

Kellan Fluckiger00:22:57

I did a silent meditation retreat for a few days, and on one of the days, you know, there was a spiral on the lawn that we had to go in. But the assignment was that you had to take a whole hour to walk the spiral to the middle.You need to take an hour to do that, which should take about 30 seconds.

Michael Lovitch00:23:15

Right.

Kellan Fluckiger00:23:16

But you had to make that take an hour and then an hour on the way out.

Michael Lovitch00:23:20

So cool. And it's grounding. So these are all great tools. So all we're doing is adding. We're the first company to amplify it. That's it. That's all we're doing.And then all the other. And I think we make everything else more powerful. We have a bunch of qigong people that now do it to the frequencies.And it's just a little more deep. People. That's the thing. People are very. Already have disciplines. Like we have Kundalini people.Like, they listen to it and they like, whoa, it's almost too much because it's. But then, like me, I'm funny because I'm thick. I mean, I have a lot of. I'm very repressed person. So it's. I don't ever Feel them. I get ins.I mean, I like, use it for my intuition's way better. My wife tells me I listen more. I'm way more tuned in. But I know more by how other people respond to me that I'm on them.But, for example, that's why I don't tell people, a lot of people do that we vibrate all over. I don't vibrate all over, man. Some people do, some people don't. Because it's a unique thing to you based on your thing. But yeah, we're just turning.And there's so many now I'm getting open up because I said I'm new to this. There's so many other cool things. And I also want to make it clear we're not sound healing. We're like your inner compass.We give you more about yourself. And so a lot. We do get testimonials from people who say they healed. I'm like, no, being congruent made you heal or you just happen to heal.But I know the mechanism. We're not healing. So what's cool is there is cool sound healing out there. It's just not us.Let's turn me on to a whole new world of frequencies and music that's not ours, that's super cool that I didn't believe in before. So I just want to make it clear what we are and what we're not. Because I'm a big. I like accuracy. I don't like.Like, if you're sick, don't buy Zodiac not going to kill you. But there are people who know sound healing that might. It's not us, so it's so and so. It's opening me up to a whole new thing.And I think we just fit into the overall system of things. Like, what you're teaching is great, and I think we just kind of. You could get closer access to self and a better sense of.You should connect with a better sense of purpose, better sense of exchange without having to think about it. Then everybody else's teaching is going to work better. That's kind of what I like. And you don't need it.I mean, but it's going to be better with teaching. But without teaching, it's still a nice ride. And we're learning because the longest people been on it been like a year and a half or two.So we're still learning. And it does compound.

Kellan Fluckiger00:25:36

Now, I want you to tell us now what it is because we've talked about it and you've been very clear. With ample disclaimers about what it is or isn't. That's fine.What you're saying is, hey, we've discovered that the birth chart provides you with frequencies.We here at you gave the name Zodiac, have done a thing with your specific frequencies, and it is a tool that amplifies other things you might be using, gives you clearer access to self. We're not claiming to be healers. I get that. But it is still a tool that could be useful to you in any one of a number of ways.So now let's talk about what it is.

Michael Lovitch00:26:15

Yeah, so we, we got the frequencies. You know, they're anywhere from 250 to 950 because they have to be in the human bio field. You know, you get it to the ear.But if you ever listen to a frequency sound, like, I mean, you can have a nice tuning for. But I'm sorry. Like, so great we had the frequencies. Like, I'm not gonna. Like. No way. So first is like, how do I make it sound good? You know, like.So you can only make them sound so good. You put them in timbre and you can only, like, modify them so much to have them work for what we're doing.So first we had to figure out how much can we make them not sound so irritable without not having the effect. Got that right. And then it's like we had to figure out how to embed them into music because people like music. So it took a while.This isn't necessarily more. I work for sound engineers and composers because I will not use AI music. Maybe I'm wrong.It just seems wrong for what we're doing because this is a human product. I want it created by humans. So I'm not going to have AI make it. And it just seems. I don't like that. Maybe it's great, but it's not what we're doing.I think energetically it's best for a human. We figured out how to embed the frequencies. So we make it so you go in, the music's really good.I mean, we spend a lot of time with real musicians, so for different things. So. And we're going to have so much more of it. Right now we have like seven different. We call like soundscapes and like a little three minute one.It's kind of. Let's go two five minute little poppy ones. Like, go about your day. And then we have two nine minute, I call them rides, like immersions.Like a nine minute, like, whoa. And then 25 minute meditation one. A lot of people just want to meditate. It's quieter.And then a sleep one that's of course, the music sleepy and people. It's. I call it like, do you have a dog? If you want to live in the medicine, like, you put it in peanut butter so they'll eat it.The frequency is the medicine and the songs we have is this really good taste in peanut butter. So you won't even notice the medicine. It's really what's going down. But it's not subliminal that.We tried to see how quiet we could get the tones to work. You have to be audible for this to work. Sorry, there's no secret sublima. I mean, it'd be great to not hear it.And then the music will sound better, but you got to hear it or won't work. So I think it's really. People love the music and they. They notice the frequencies, but we've spent a lot of time making them tolerable.And so people like listening. People are now like, I can log in as people listening hours a day, and they tend to like the music. But the. The medicine was happening.Is this exposure to. The more you have exposure to your frequencies, the better. And then what? There's four of.I said four, loosely translated, because it's hard, you know, it's hard to translate Indian to merit. It's hard. There's never a perfect. This is not. When you try to explain things. So we have a core frequency, which is like your identity.When you tune in with amplified, it helps you tune into what's me, what's not, what's my purpose, what's not. It's like identity, you know, our identity construct frequency. Let's call it that.And this is like you're kind of who you are, and you can tune in the other one. We call it love, but it's more about the energy of connection. It's not just romantic. Me and you right now, we're on a. It's a connection thing.So you tune in and tell me, like, how do I connect? Who should I connect with at a deeper level? So I think a lot of times we're told they're sexy or whatever, and this at a deeper level, who I should.You know, so now you can kind of check in. How do I connect? How do I show up?And as you listen, if you start living more as you are, that way people might notice you more because you're being more congruent. You're resonating the other one's vitality. This is where I got to Be careful. I maybe shouldn't have named it that.It doesn't, when you listen to it gives you energy a little bit, but it's not like charged. It's not that it's what would energize me. What wouldn't? It gives you the knowledge about should I go? You choose the things that energize you.Is this going to drag me down? It's going to lift me up. It helps you make that choice, you know, but it's not like, you know, sure we have people say if I listen, I'm charged up.I don't see mechanically how that works, but I know it gives you half of this crap.

Kellan Fluckiger00:30:16

We don't know how it works.

Michael Lovitch00:30:18

So you tend to like get energized by the vitality thing. But then I'm like, the way I understand how it works, it really shouldn't, but yeah, whatever. But I do. But it does.But I know now I'm like have you ever read.

Kellan Fluckiger00:30:31

I'm going to interrupt you. Have you ever read the Biology of Belief by Bruce Lipton?

Michael Lovitch00:30:35

Yeah.

Kellan Fluckiger00:30:35

Okay, you remember he came from complete skeptic to realizing that every freaking cell is its own brain and the genome expression is a choice in the moment by the intelligence of the cell to adapt to the environment. So when you say I don't know how it friggin works, it does some shit and I don't want to over claim but I'm hearing that people say they get energy.You don't need to know how it works. What you're documenting is this gives me access to my energy producing system even if I don't want to tie it to mitochondria.I mean we have an, we have a physical body and then we have an energetic body. The physical body eats protein and exercise. The energetic or spiritual body doesn't eat protein.It feasts on love and kindness and compassion and, and so who cares how it works? Keep going.

Michael Lovitch00:31:30

Yeah, well we are individuals so it might tell you like maybe I should do a slow movement kind of thing or maybe I should be, you know, like it helps you pick the thing for you because you are you. And I'm kind of, I've always been anti conformity, but this is like tune into yourself. Like you can be yourself. So choose the workout for you.Not because everybody else is going to yoga. Maybe yoga is great, but maybe not. Now you can use your sense to do it. Maybe maybe tune in to find out what you're going to do today.Maybe you should be a weightlifter. Maybe not there are all these prescriptions out there are for general generalize, but it helps you tune in the thing you should be doing.The other ones, we call it abundance. It's the energy of exchange. This is what the timing of opportunity is. We all exchange. That's how humans do things.We exchange resources, we do business with each other, we barter. This tunes you into opportunity and it's also how you are in these kind of things. Everybody's different.So this helps you intuitively tune into that opportunity. For you, the weather, like maybe this is a bad month for you to be investing, man, that's the kind of thing.So instead of being told this is a bad month by your astrologer, you kind of like tune in and you'll feel, or this is it.So this is when your gut like maybe I should do this today, take this risk, do this thing or exchange or oh, whoa, maybe I should tune in because this exchange feels bad. Well now that's tuned up. A lot of times we're disconnected from that.If you look at the most successful people in the world on like stock traders and people like that, you know, they have like better interoception. So it's totally research. It's not about their talent and their brains.The people who do best, like in the high stress things, they have better access to self. Like did it test people could like tap to their heartbeat. Way better at stock trading than some Ivy League person.So being tuned into yourself is kind of the biggest secret to success materially because you have a more accurate gut. That's kind of what this does. But it's not. But you're not going to like predict the stock market. Don't do all that kind of crap.But man, it can help you tune in to that and actually trust yourself and kind of know the weather out there. Not, you know, again, not 100%, but that's kind of.We're getting a lot of that because it's like, all right, you know, it's being able to kind of like, you know, glad both thin slicing, you just kind of know. And if you tune in, you can kind of know. That makes sense.

Kellan Fluckiger00:33:57

It does.It's very interesting because one of the things I talk a lot about with people is we live in a world that stifles, you know, that's data driven and it stifles the idea of intuition.And what you're saying is these frequencies and you named four specific ones and they're kind of named, but using them sharpens and gives you access to a Higher level, if you're willing to listen to it, of intuition. So you say I feel in this area, whether it's connection or whether it's opportunity or whether it's.What was the other one, your core frequency connection? Opportunity. And then the third one, fourth one.

Michael Lovitch00:34:40

Was what the core love vitality. Abundance vitality.

Kellan Fluckiger00:34:46

That was when I was missing love connection. But anyway, yeah, it's. Yeah, it's. It's a. It's a. It's a intuition exam enhancer essentially. And you have four specific areas that are. Seem to be more.Yeah, more available.

Michael Lovitch00:35:04

That's why the Prime Minister of India uses astrologer before he builds things. I mean, like, that's why all the celebrity and like this. These people can tell you or you can feel it. And it's also a.There's a part of yourself that knows. You just don't because you're not listening. So we can talk about you tuned into the field. I'm a little uncomfortable saying that.I think there's a bit of that that I'm still wary. Well, you know, David Hawkins, I'm more comfortable.

Kellan Fluckiger00:35:32

Power versus force thing and muscle testing and the universal field. And I mean, you're saying the same thing. There is truth, it is available.And you have to listen a different version, a different description, but it's there.

Michael Lovitch00:35:47

The way it would be is there's a part of yourself that is tuned in.

Kellan Fluckiger00:35:51

Yeah.

Michael Lovitch00:35:52

That's what you're born with. It allows that part of yourself that is tuned in that really knows. It gives you access to that. It gives you.It gives you better access to the part of yourself that is connected.

Kellan Fluckiger00:36:03

Yeah.

Michael Lovitch00:36:03

That makes that. That's what's going down. So you always have a part of yourself that's connected. That's why there's.For Braid before Zodiac fm, there's all kinds of ways in. Right. So it's like people tune in. So. And I think what people do who do the work, they tuned into a part of themselves that is connected.That's all this is doing. It's connecting you to a part of yourself that's already there. It's all.

Kellan Fluckiger00:36:26

I love it. So I want to make sure we get to. Now you've described what it is.It's birth chart frequencies turned into music that's more palatable because listening to a sine wave at a given frequency between 200 and 900 is kind of crazy. Yeah, no kidding. I'm an audio engineer, so I get all that and anybody that's listened to it, you know, sort of an oscillation drive you nuts.

Michael Lovitch00:36:52

I didn't think you were going to be able to pull it off. It took. Still, it took a long time.

Kellan Fluckiger00:36:55

Yeah.So you built it into music that seems to be centered around these four areas, which gives you access to the part of you that is connected to the universal field. And then you said the word Zodiac fm. So now I want you to.Now you've described what you're up to now, which is the longest answer I've ever had to how you're adding good to the world in all these interviews that I've done, which is really cool.

Michael Lovitch00:37:18

I've never like, that's not maybe part of this community. I don't like elevator pitches or look how. I mean, I'm just on the right man.

Kellan Fluckiger00:37:24

I wanted to ride. That's why I kept.

Michael Lovitch00:37:27

I'm on the ride, doing the best I can, trying to cause no harm, not trying to take myself too seriously. And like, so I'm doing good in the world, I hope.I kind of find the more people tell me how much good in the world they're doing, usually the less they are. I've just found an inverse relationship between people who make that statement in reality. So.

Kellan Fluckiger00:37:45

All right, so we'll ask it differently. How are you trying to use your life experience to do something that could be valuable?

Michael Lovitch00:37:51

And you've answered, yeah, I'm tuning people in and I, I like turning people on.

Kellan Fluckiger00:37:57

Yeah, tell us, tell us where to find it.So you've given a very good description of both the journey that got you there, your own transformation from a skeptic to these sort of fringy sounding things to a believer. And now an advocate and now a creator of things that are valuable and can be valuable if people choose to use them.But like any tool, you're going to have to experiment and so forth, or where do people find it? Find more about you if they want to. And this product now what? So people hear this and they're like, super simple.

Michael Lovitch00:38:34

We're at Zodiac fm. We'll be actually, it's funny, we have what's called a web app. It's basically super simple. I mean, we want to be.We're kind of priced like Headspace or Com would be. You know, we're an app.And I think by the time this comes out, we'll be in the App Store if you have an Apple, but otherwise you can still listen on your phone. If you don't have that, it's a web app, but basically it's a music player. So you're not really on the screen.You get it in marketing we're still kind of price testing and messing around. But we're like right now it's like I think you have a coupon code. Like it's a little over $7 a month. If you buy an annual plan, it's cheap.I mean people are paying hundreds of dollars for readings and that I think we want to be product for everybody. So we're trying to stay really reasonable and not take people's like people are hurting now rent money. So we're a very reasonably priced.It's a music app, but instead of listening to the songs, you listen to yourself and you compress your playlist for the day or choose to sleep. It's really easy and you can listen with headphones or any. You don't want to listen on your phone speaker or like a tinny computer speaker.But any bluetooth speaker over 75 bucks, you'll get the result. Good car stereo. Just don't listen to sleep. One really don't need to do anything. You can meditate, but it's simple.Zodiac fm, you get it, you have an app, you put your playlist on. I'm really against screens like even being on a zoom like last thing I want to do is give people another thing that they look on their phone too.And now you like put it on and go about today most people listen with their Apple earphones or whatever, but if you have a good speaker, have it in your house and all that matters is time under frequency and frequency balance which I could get to and pretty easy to use. The whole idea was tune in and so it's super easy. There's no complex thing you have to do.I like to meditate, but I don't like to meditate with music. So I don't use my own thing to meditate. It's just not my bag. I like silence. I like to walk. I live in Denver. I like to walk.If I go over to nature walk, I don't put headphones on. That's ridiculous. I listen to the sounds.But when I walk my dog in Denver, the city, put those headphones on and that's kind of when I get my tuned in. And then I love to. I love to cook on just makes me pay attention. It seems kind of magical. But some people do that.Some, you know, the whole idea is you can do. You can listen and you can listen offline, listen on subway, listen on your commute. The answer around to it like the.And it's only been around for so, you know, a little over a year. We did the test. It's figuring out how to use it. We're looking for like different ways to use it because it's work in progress about.I'm not too prescriptive. I did the study and all that matters is time under frequency and getting a frequency balance if you want. But it's easy peasy.It's not a program, it's a turn on.

Kellan Fluckiger00:41:14

So I wish, I hope people that listen to it can understand. You talk fast, which is fine. I do too sometimes. No, don't apologize.But when you say time under frequency and you know, the different pieces that you say quickly, I want people to listen. All that just means is the amount of time that you have listened to a particular frequency.So the beneficial effect is a cumulative effect related to the amount of time that the frequency is playing in your ears. And they've made it. I've listened to mine, so I signed in and did that some months ago. And I've listened to it and the music's enjoyable.It's easy to do, like he said.And that's intentionally designed that way to be non intrusive and to be something that's facilitated and his experience with the testing that he's done. Demonstrate this. So, Michael, this is wonderful and I'm really grateful that you're doing what you're doing.And my own personal feedback to you is I don't think you need quite too many disclaimers and to downplay it so hard. You keep trying so hard to tell us. Well, you know, it's not that big of a deal. What if it is a big deal?

Michael Lovitch00:42:24

That's a big divide. I guess I'm more of a tune in, turned on, find out kind of guy. I don't know, maybe you have an aversion to that.Maybe that's why I didn't like this community of this. Because I don't like these giant claims. And sure it does. Either does or it does. And I know. And I know priming too, because I am big into things.So if I say it does that, you know, placebo, it might do that. So I kind of wanted people to figure it out on their own. Sure.I'm saying because, you know, like, I like people experiencing and I don't want to be the. Yeah, I see a lot of that in this space and I think it's a lot. You do, you do.

Kellan Fluckiger00:42:56

And most of it is. And the truth, the truth is, comes only from embodied experience.And so someone that talks about a Thing you can tell right away because they don't have energetic truth behind what they're saying. Someone that embodies a thing and is the product and lives what they talk about carry a completely different frequency in the conversation.

Michael Lovitch00:43:20

It's funny because, like, it allows you to try kind of like different people. Like, I love this lady named Deborah Silverman who's, like, really good at astrology. She's become kind of a friend and a mentor because she's in.She's like, yeah, be the weirdo you are. I know now that I've always been a spaz. I'm never going to be this smooth guy. I'm crazy, but that's who I am. That's what I'm here for.I'm going to talk fast. And I used to try to maybe not talk fast and be a relaxed guy. Right. Well, I'm not meant to be a relaxed guy. And now I'm much more free.So the biggest benefit to me, everybody has their own reasons for everything, is permission just to be the spaz I am. And some people like it, some don't. And here I am.

Kellan Fluckiger00:44:01

Who cares?

Michael Lovitch00:44:03

Yeah. So it allows to me at least, and what I hope for people listen. Sure. The benefits. I'm not saying discounting all the.Because there are really amazing things that happen that are more material to say I know can happen. But to me, the biggest gift is accepting the weirdo you are and go be it. And it gives you permission.Just tune in and you might be a weirdo in a great way. And then find other weirdos because it's people who are normal, kind of boring.And then as long as you're kind and connect, and then now you, like, have more space for other people. So when you're not, like, fighting yourself all the time, you'll notice space opens up. That's the biggest thing I've noticed.To notice other people and bring them in and maybe find other weirdos and bring them in and help them out, help their story out. So I found I have a lot more capacity for. To help others. Not like, help others, like, give money to them.Like, to bring them up like, hey, I like you because I'm noticing. I've always liked the weirdos, but now I'm like, I find a weirdo shy or a little bit of shame because their thing doesn't quite fit in.I'm like, you're cool, man. And then you can, like, you can see people and, like, you're cool. Come to my party. So it's really fun that's the.What I'm getting the most out of it is I can be this spaz and a lot of people like me. A lot of people can't be in the same room with me. It is what it is and I'm fine with that.And I'm way more fine with that now and then find the other people who are like having a hard time like maybe fitting in or whatever and like lift them up and I hope that this becomes like a lift up community.Like once you're free and you're tuned into yourself, you have more time to tune into other folks, bring them up, you know, that's kind of what I want for this. So I guess my goal for people, every product, separate goal, is that more than sure you'll do better financially and find a better love life.And that's what everybody sells. I like this part. This part's why I'm in it. We all have our own things.

Kellan Fluckiger00:45:50

So Michael, thank you. I want to thank you. Just the last two or three minutes that you've described have had a different energy.The energy were about the entire time you were talking about the creation and that carried one brand of excitement.Now Michael switched in the last three or four minutes to telling the truth of your own soul, which I saw and I love and thank you for sharing that with us. Thank you for being here with me today.

Michael Lovitch00:46:17

Yeah, you too. What are your, what are your thoughts? And now it's like you've interviewed me. But I always, I'm curious about you.Like in this whole thing, like you've been out there so much longer than me. Like I'm this rookie. And you, how long have you been into what I call crazy town?

Kellan Fluckiger00:46:31

You know, I was a, I was executive in the energy industry. Electricity. Yeah. For 30 years. So from 77 to 07 and I had C suite positions in the US and Canada and deregulation and trying to make market.Like all the crap that happened in California, all that stuff. I was in all that. And in 2007 I had a big divine intervention which I've talked about before. But I'm not going to put on this show that changed me.So I've been working on this myself and moving into woo woo weird land at different levels and times and amounts for just about 20 years. In 19 years.

Michael Lovitch00:47:09

Yeah. So you went to crazy, you went to crazy town. And then like when did. And I think it's fun. Like why don't we call it crazy town? It's fun.It's the truth.

Kellan Fluckiger00:47:18

We have built A society and a framework that likes to assign us to certain boxes to perform functions. So it's in a functional assignment mechanism that doesn't recognize the multidimensional truth of the value and skills and gifts of each person.And what you're doing is giving your particular way of enhancing the yearning that everybody has to find their own gifts and talents to use them in a positive way. We're built to love and serve each other. That's how we feel best. But we're inhibited from doing that with these structures.And you've provided at Zodiac FM a place to use a tool. And I'm being really clear because he's being so diminutive. Go there and check it out. Go see. Go see. I'm being your commercial.

Michael Lovitch00:48:15

When does Crazy Town get cut? Like, because I'm in that weird space. Like, when does. When do. You're 19, 20 years in. Like, when did you go. Okay, wait, like, I'm now. Like, it's.This is. You know, like, I'm. This world is real. I'm in this weird transition period. It's kind of. More advice. It's strange.

Kellan Fluckiger00:48:32

My advice to you would just be to dive all fricking in head first, embrace it, and then worry about whatever weirdness needs to be pruned. That's what I would tell you to do. Go all in. The energetics are real.You know, the discovery that the vacuum of space is full of teeming energy and particles and antiparticles. Oh, my crap. It's not empty. There's an infinite amount of this, that and the other. For heaven's sakes.90 Something percent of the universe is dark matter and energy. And we give it a cute name because we don't know what the frick it is.

Michael Lovitch00:49:01

Right.

Kellan Fluckiger00:49:02

But we need it in order to explain the cosmological behaviors that we see. So the answer is we actually don't know jack. So we need a quick pretending.

Michael Lovitch00:49:10

Yeah. So that's where I am. I mean, I read all that stuff too. And again, like, I'm not a quantum physicist. I don't understand quantum physics.Like, so the people. Like, I'm like, for sure. But yeah, it's kind of fun. Like the whole. The science of all that and it's. Yeah. So I'm kind of taking it in.Taking it without any answers.

Kellan Fluckiger00:49:29

Dive in and own it. That's what you want, advice. That's it. Dive in and own it. And if you bruise your knee in a couple places. Good. We got a lot of band aids.

Michael Lovitch00:49:38

That's it's. Fun. Well, I appreciate you having me on. It's fun that you're a good time to talk to because it's, you know, disconnecting.

Kellan Fluckiger00:49:45

So I want to address the listeners here for a minute. I want you to listen to this. This dude is sincere. He's real.I had a chance to visit with him for an hour or so before another day, and I've tried the thing itself and I can absolutely tell you it's cool. The music's nice. It does it. It plays with the frequencies in a way that makes them very pleasant to listen to.But the most important point isn't the tool. It is whatever you need to do to access the truth of who you are.Because that access and his tool gives you a way to enhance other tools that you're using is the path to being your true self and to accessing your ultimate life.

Michael Lovitch00:50:34

Open your heart. And this time around, right here, right.

Kellan Fluckiger00:50:39

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