The Future of Healing Is Built on Truth, Trust, and Love

Welcome to the show. Tired of the hype about living a dream? It's time for truth.This is the place for tools, power, and real talk, so you can create the life you dream and deserve your ultimate life. Subscribe, share, create. You have infinite power. Hello there, and welcome to this episode of youf Ultimate Life, the podcast I created.We're on our seventh year now to help you live a life of purpose, prosperity and joy by discovering and serving with the gifts and the life experience that you have. And I'm just honored as all get out to have a couple of really special women with me today who have extraordinary gifts and talents.Debs Eastwood and Carla Rottering, welcome to the show, ladies.

Thank you. Pleasure to be here, Kellan.

So I don't do introductions, so I don't leave it right read a thing. Debs did all this, and she's so cool. And Carla did all this, and she's so cool. We'll just figure that out as we go. And that's.I say that often and it's true every time. So, Debs, I want to start with you. And this is just going to be a conversation. You're free to comment on each other's stuff, too.So it's not structured, and I don't have a list of questions, but I do have an intent, and the intent is to let each of you and you together as a unit, transmit to our listeners your love, your compassion, your passion, and what you're about in the world. So, Debs, if you had to describe your mission right now, like what you're about, what are you trying to do?

First of all, that is a huge and excellent question. I. I have to say, because the mission that Carla and I are collectively on and individually motivated by is huge.Our mission is global, it's empowering, and it's all about individuals being empowered and offered choices for their own health journeys and the hugeness of the different directions that we're going to offer them to be able to take in one glorious curated platform of truth, trust, honesty and integrity.

A great glorious platform of truth, trust, honesty and integrity. That's amazing. And it has to do with people taking charge of their own health.Carla, I'm going to get to you in a sec, but Deb's just going on from that.I want to know what is it that's happened or happening in your heart and life that makes that not only what you're doing, but the way you described it was really important. The energy, the truth that you carried in that, that transmission.So what's happened that makes this like this is what I'm doing because I said so, like why.

So a nutshell background helps to fully explain that. So I have been a scientist in human biology. Didn't fulfill me on paper.I look really good and qualified doing a degree in human biology and a PhD in human stem cells. Theoretically I'm super successful in here. Dead thought it might be medicine and patient contact that sorted out that hole that I was feeling.And for a while it did.But medicine became so protocolized on mass delivery, you need to tick these boxes that again, the soul of the practice lies left me and I was left searching for what it should feel like, for what it could be, for what it needs to encompass to actually address the person.I did my own little embellishments on that, becoming trained in clinical hypnotherapy, doing services outside of the NHS in intravenous multivitamins. But that's not enough. I can't make the impact that the world needs just me doing that. So Sage was born. That's.

Oh, I love that. So, yeah, no, I'm good. I want some goosebumps. I'm familiar with the IV stuff.I've done a lot of that and I haven't gone to hypnosis stuff but I have done IV stuff and other things also to, to access other layers of care. And that productized sort of tech box medicine is, is like that all over the world as far as I know. Sure.It certainly is in the US certainly is in Canada where I live now. And you're from England, you said NHS for those that don't know, National Health Service in, in England and so forth.So Carla, I'm going to come to you and ask you some similar questions, but I want to flavor them differently. Like you've had a long and storied career in medicine and have, you know, high ranking protocols and in charge of this, that and the other.And I mean that listeners is serious. Look her up.And yet here you have, you've served a year, you could retire, you are retiring here pretty quick from that hands on practice and something is driving you to say I've done all this stuff. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But I have something bigger and more important to do now.And I'm putting words in your mouth saying bigger and more important, but I'm getting that sense. So talk to me about your journey to get here, to this place.

Yeah.So both Debs and I have spent a long time as traditional physicians and had a moment where we really recognized that there was Something the what Our way of being as healers. That, that wasn't fingertips, that wasn't helpful. Having said that, I want to be really clear. I love medicine. I love everything about medicine.I just came to recognize about 15 years ago in a moment where I discovered that I wasn't entirely likable all of the time in my quest to be the best.And, and, and with that encounter, had the opportunity to sit down, or perhaps I got sat down, if you will, and really took a look at who is that young person that walked through the gates of this noble profession? Where has she disappeared to and how can I find her again?That heart, that spirit, that love of healership and not only bring her back and let her have the room in my, in my current medicine, but how can I hold hands with that aspect of myself to transcend what we have? Because part of the experience is not just I wasn't fulfilled. Part of the experience is getting enough altitude.And I went on to get a master's degree in spiritual psychology with an emphasis in consciousness and healing. So Debs and I have a different perspective of how to renew and evolutionize medicine.So, so it's not just about, oh, this is not fulfilling to me, but if it's true that my mand.My principled mandate that I, that I integrate as my personal creed is to relieve unnecessary suffering and how does the current system need to reassemble in a way that will allow that? So we're really siloed, right? We're really separated from each other.There's an entire spans of healing modalities that are just stacked side by side, but not integrated, not married, not merged, not creating something new. So for me, you're right.I have been on the planet a long time and I've been in this business a long time and there are people who wonder why I don't just sit down. And I think that, that there is just a calling that lives inside of me to which I continue to say yes.And my next iteration of healership is to heal the world through a different understanding of medicine and healing. And I'm all in. And I might not be here when, when all of this comes to fruition, but I'm okay with that.

So, yeah, well, I hope to cry out loud, you're here. So that is both of you moving and emotion laden, but power laden transmission of how you got to where you are and the calling that you feel now.And you're sitting here close together, partly because of the video frame, but partly because you're unified in this mission, from different perspectives and the unification of your energy. I noticed that the minute we came on, before we even started, I thought, wow, there is a together here that I could sense and feel.And so I, I acknowledge that and say it and see it. That is beautiful and powerful. So now we've got a story about how you got here.And you know, Carla, your interesting piece about losing yourself on the way and becoming a grumpy ass doctor and then realizing you didn't want to be that and then doing some serious things about it to create. You've told me once that healing is the application of love to where it hurts.And, you know, a form of love, we use that word a lot of different ways, but in the context of that, it might be a protocol, a medicine and a pharmaceutical or meditation or whatever it is, but it is the application of visible love to what is hurting in the soul of the body. So I'm just sort of saying that, and you guys can fix it if you want to. What I want to know next is what have you built now or are building?So you have this mandate in yourself from your own calling to do three things to move forward and create a better process, better availability of healing opportunities. You said about all this stacked stuff.And the second thing is you've made a commitment to do this together, which brings your powerful energies together and your different perspectives. And the third thing I heard is you have a global vision. So do cool stuff, do it together in a global vision about this.And so I want you to tell the audience now what you're, what you're doing. And I don't care who goes first. You can arm wrestle or you can just start.

So, so I'll start and, and maybe we'll just talk together.But first of all, Debs and I met less than a year ago and had this immediate connection and within really a month probably had a shared understanding of what we were going to be on purpose about with. Right. And it really is about how do we transform healing globally?Because what we experienced in the us, what Deb's experiences in the uk, what I see when I'm living in the Caribbean, when it's the same everywhere, right? The same pain points. And, and so there's a very ambitious, very long term vision for this that starts where we stand.And where we stand is our commitment to alleviate suffering for patients.So we are creating an institute, an institution, if you will, that will allow all kinds of practitioners to come together in collaboration for the purpose of evolution. And we have some criteria for that, first of all, we really look for scientific rigor. Secondly, we really look for people who.Willing to lay down even invisible judgments about each other. Because part of what limits us is the way we think and feel and act and judge each other's healing realities.So we have kind of a leave your shoes at the door policy, right? And.And come together with open minds, with open hearts, with curiosity, with bright ideas as a collective healership that will make the most profound difference the world has known until now. And that platform looks like. Like people who, who have.So it's coursework, right, that patients were standing outside their doctor's offices going, you know, if all my tests are normal, why do I feel so lousy? Right? I go to Facebook and I see this ad. Is it advertisement or education? What is true? Who can I trust? What.What pills have fiber and what stem cells are real? And there's no trusted crucible of caring. And we are that. So we're in the process of creating that right now. And extraordinary.Founding faculty members are just like, I'm stunned by the people who are just coming to this and will create the. The foundational faculty.

Debs, I want you to say something, but I want to ask a couple things here. So I'm hearing global. I'm hearing an institute. Does it have a name yet?

Yes. Say what? Sage Health Institute.

Sage S A G. Sage Health Institute does have a URL yet.

Yes. I bought the domain name for that, and it is exactly that.

But it's not up to. So if I go there right now, there's not stuff.

There will be very, very soon.

There will be very soon. All right, well, this is releasing on August 4th, so maybe by then there will be so listeners. Sage Health Institute. Sage S A G E Health Institute.What I'm hearing. Carlin, I have a question. One question popped up for me. A curated set of things. So bring all the cool things.And you're blown away by the skill level and the heart of people that are coming from different places saying, I have this. I know this. I want it to be in Sage. So one way to look at this is I go to Sage Health Institute and I. It's like going to a library.I have a whole library of stuff of all these possibilities, alternatives, and I'm agreeing with and repeating your underlying scientific rigor so it's not weird. No snake oil, no stuff. And you guys have the chops to test it. So got that. So it's real, it's rigorous, and it's there, and that's a Library of stuff.A question that came up for me is, is there somewhere in the vision? Maybe not. First, a place for this.You use the word collaboration, where the bringers of these have true collaboration, where there's either conversation or argument, either or together work. Testing to see if A plus B equals 27 instead of 2.I know 1 plus 1, whatever is there envisioned a place for that to explore the synergies that now are not even being looked at, but even in a siloed library won't be looked at, but to encourage and drag in the crucible of synergism. Ooh, I just said that. I think that's cool.

I'm writing that down.

The crucible of synergism with that stuff. Is that coming?

Absolutely, yes.

Cool. Tell me all about whatever you were going to say. That's just what I wondered.

Absolutely. So we see Sage in the first iteration as being presented to the public in two particular formats, one of them completely free to the user.And that will be where they will find short, wonderful videos curated by all of our wonderful providers.And those videos will qualify the integrity of the individual and of the subject about which they are speaking, and give the end user something useful, something real, something actual, that they can take away with them using their everyday life. Right now, the value in there will be immense.

I sense that. Keep going.

Thank you. On the other side, behind a very low level paywall, there will be access to live sessions.These can be run by some individuals that are part of our founding faculty. So again, curated and their integrity is assured.But also we're going to be hosting live collaborative discussion panels, which is exactly as you describe, where, for instance, medics like Carla and I, alongside homeopaths, energy healers, acupuncture specialists, for example.There are many, many, many other healing modalities, but yeah, all answering the same questions to alleviate patient suffering, educate people, make them feel empowered about their health going forwards.

Can I just add it?

Yeah, of course, go.

Truly our primary commitment in this first phase of our evolving platform and institution. But I don't know if this is exactly what you were asking, Callum, but the additional intention is to create a tribe of.Of healers across, across the globe and across the spectrum of healership. That.And you know that when people come together around a shared interest in participation with each other, with curiosity, in collaboration with the cosmos, if you will, that something new and as yet unexplained rises from that.

Absolutely.

And begins to be the driving force for creating change. So we really are about serving people, creating tribe catalyzing and facilitating transformation across the globe.And it's the people is the, it's the, is the practitioners who will bring that into being.

So what I'm feeling, first of all, I'm feeling rising excitement. So I hear this and I'm like, yeah, where is it? I want to sign up. So I feel that if anybody listening this isn't feeling that you're not listening. So.But what I'm also hearing is often when the kind of high level people you're talking about, a person that's way up here in this and way up here in this, there's competition, there's friction, there's I'm going to prove this or that and the other. And your requirement of leave your ego or your shoes or whatever at the door is designed to eliminate that or to minimize it.In any case, I mean, we're all people still and somebody's still going to feel whatever they feel. But to minimize that and bringing people together in a true collaborative way, like the language you use in the vision is, I'm seeing, wow.What could that mean? If people who are deeply steeped in XYZ and ABC come together not to defend or to protect or to promulgate, but to invent and to collaborate.And I'm going to say my own word. The crucible of synergy. Wow.Okay, so to make that happen in, in this powerful way without ego, but with the sole goal of elevating the, the provision of medical services to both the body and spirit.And I heard you say, rising up from the consciousness of the universe and anybody that knows me for five minutes know that I have a profound connection and divine ness with all of that. And every single day it's like not there.And so when you speak that, that calls to my soul because mainly the healing, and this is me saying something and you can violently disagree if you like, but mainly the healing that we need comes first from the injured soul and spirit and secondarily and additionally the, the body, the container, the meat suit that we sit in is dysfunctional for whatever reason, but almost always exacerbated by the illness of the soul and the mind and the heart and the feeling. Am I out to lunch?

No, not at all. The mind and the body are completely linked in relation to healing and how we feel.

Okay, so now tell me, you've told me what you're building.An amazing platform full of egoless people who are driven, who have achieved enough and seen enough, that they are willing to collaborate, to love, to share, to heal, and you're going to put together a platform that has a level, an entry level that's free and a curated level that you pay for that lets you have access to the same people but at a higher level in conversations and discussions. Is there the intent and I'm thinking about this from a business perspective.Is there the intent that or the opportunity for individuals to then follow up with individual practitioners or things to go do some of that.So, for example, I went to a healing, I mean, went to a club Monday morning and I saw a hyperbaric oxygen chamber and I didn't get a chance to lay in it, but I talked about it and I looked it up afterwards and I've got stuff.And I'm scheduled to have back surgery to screw L5 and S1 together on both sides here maybe later in the year because they're busted and the discs are gone. But I'm thinking about the healing after that and I'm already looking up h where can I find one of those in Edmonton?So is there the opportunity to intention and opportunity for people then to get excited about stem cell treatment or yo mama, whatever it is to go further? Is that part of the deal?

Yes. Yeah. So there is an intention for people to be.Be able to connect with practitioner, you know, a functional medicine person or a stem cell person or you know, again, the breadth of things including. We're really seeking, by the way, this is a plug. We're really seeking some indigenous healers as well. So. But so whoever.There will be a process through the sage process to connect with those folks and. And you know, be able to interface with them one on one, which is a great advantage because otherwise I kind of have to walk the block.Oh yeah, right.

Well, I'm thinking of me. I got all kinds of crap. I got periodic afib that started 12 years ago and has years in between. I've had.I died because of infections in my body that you know about and there's no point in telling any of that here. But I've had, you know, back surgery this, that and the other. So I'm sitting here thinking I'm going to live till I'm 132.I'd like these last 60 years to not be all bent over and busted. So I'm stoked about it. I want to just open the floor now and say what do you want the listeners to know or understand?Maybe about timing, maybe about content, maybe about process, maybe about your own heart and soul. And if I'm going to live till 132, so are you. So I expect you to be around none of this I'm going to be gone when it comes to fruition stuff.You're only five minutes older than I am, so. All right. And I'm going to be here. All right, good. I'm here till I'm 132.And there's a story about that that we won't tell now, but what else is there that I need to know? The listeners need to know about this glorious thing. Like, I'm stoked.

What have we missed?

Well, one of the things, and we can talk about timeline in a second, but I think it's important to know this. We are inviting globally people into the process of change.One of the things that we became really clear about from the get go is that we willing to be changed and we're willing to be changed for the better. And our commitment is to change and evolve with you. Like, like we aren't on some pinnacle preaching something that hasn't unfolded yet.We're walking this Camino with you right now as we stand. And we're, we're here for all of it. And we believe with our whole hearts that this will be the most important work we have ever done in our lives.

Yeah, well, I believe that. And I'd say that not as a person who knows you and loves you already and debs you too, but as a, as a receptor, as a receiver of what I just heard.Not just the most important work you've done in your lives, but a monumental and seminal change offered to the world. Because I haven't, I have not heard of, of this kind of thing being brought together and certainly not at this scale.I've heard of things at a lower level that immediately focus on, you know, private monetization to make big money quick with a small entry.But you're talking about, you're talking about me and somebody like me with whatever bustedness there is, being able to look at, assess and have available to me stuff from anywhere in the world that I never heard of and wouldn't even have imag. And then I can look at that and say, you mean I could do that? I could do that? I could do that. Wow. Tell me more, tell me more. How do I do that?Where is that? What do I got to do go BC think, think, feel whatever it is. I love that.

And so expert in France or in Mexico.

Yeah.

You know. Yeah. I mean, it's so exciting.

Yeah.

And you know, I was just thinking with translation being so easily available now, with the way that AI and other stuff works, stuff that would have been a language barrier.I know the international language is English of business and medicine and all the rest, but still, that ability to do that is going to even further lower barriers to access and stuff. Debs, what have you got to. I love that, Carla. Thank you. And I'm having a feeling I want to hear something out of Debs, so go for.

Kind of adds in a little to the story of why I'm doing what I'm doing, but also lets you know why this particular thing is so important.Is like a lot of changes that happen in our lives, they come out of some tragic event, either involving ourselves directly or those that are our nearest and dearest. And like most people, I'm old enough to have had a couple of those in my life.

You think.

So?The most recent one, though, was five years ago, losing my little brother on an intensive care unit in central London, the details of which are not important. Right. Right now, the point that I'm making is that as a clinician, as an anaesthetist, I've worked on intensive care units.I know what they're all about. And so I was seeing what he was experiencing, not only as his sister, but also as a clinician and a clinician experienced in that particular area.And what I saw shocked me and changed me. I saw the fabulous clinical aspect looking after him and doing exactly what it needed to do to treat the issue that had brought him there.But what opened my eyes and means, why I'm sitting where I'm sitting right now is that I saw that the majority, everything outside of that immediate treatment circle was irrelevant. It wasn't seen by the clinical aspect. Him as a person wasn't seen beyond direct clinical care. So I started exactly the journey.And if Sage had been around five years ago, I would have used it with complete fervor and enthusiasm because I went searching and looking for practitioners outside of clinical medicine that could help me. And I'm like, well, who are these people? I don't know them from Adam. I'd never heard of some of these specialties before.And I'm like, well, what are they? Are they any good? Are they going to do anything? Are the people any good? How do I know?And I'm an educated woman with a PhD in human biology and a couple of decades working in clinical medicine, and I couldn't solve it. So if I couldn't solve it, how on earth are the general public anywhere on this planet supposed to be able to solve that with a degree of Ease.I missed my opportunity with my little brother. He passed. I certainly aren't going to lose that again. Nobody. Oh, I've got goosebumps again. Nobody should go through what I did. That's my passion.That's my mission. That's sage.

You know, when I. It's eight years ago and I had the experience that I had and it cost, you know, caused me to flatline and die and all that jazz.Joy, my wife, you know, was looking up, and she's an insanely good researcher anyway, and by any stretch, but she was doing all kinds of that same thing. So as you're saying that I'm sitting here thinking, and of course, I didn't learn about this till afterwards because I was in a coma and.But, I mean, all this stuff is going on, and I'm thinking the very same thing. And that from my own. Not me, because I wasn't doing it, but she was. And when I told her from the hospital, bad is I.Just before I went into a coma, I sent her a message and I said, I may be dying because I was in meditation and I felt my body and spirit unzipping. But anyway, I didn't see her response to that.I may be dying for a month because I went in a coma for 17 days and then ICU and a bunch of other stuff. But you know what her answer was? Not on my watch. Right. And so.But I'm thinking of your offering to the world, and it just moves me the effort and energy. So what do you need? What are the timelines? What do you need to have happen? You know, I want with all my heart the best and the success of.For what you're doing. So what else needs to be communicated to the. To the group listening?

Well, I.So first of all, there's hardly a person on the planet that I've spoken to that hasn't had the experience that Deb's had that I share with her around my own brother. Our collaborators, we have some.We were working with some extraordinarily skilled business folks and collaborators who also are driven by that deep desire to. To speak into that very experience that is shared across humanity and. And get rid of and.And help get rid of that feeling of impotence in those moments of deep vulnerability. So what we need, I think, is. So the timeline is that we should be sort of live. We're anticipating by the end of July.

We are.

And we will continue to expand the offerings. And so we're starting with. With a group of faculty and a group of designated Diseases. Oh, gosh, I'm sorry. That word outline and taking it from there.

We need.

We. We need support. We need engagement. We need people to really rally around this as imperative across the globe.We need highly skilled faculty members, and we'll continue to expand those offerings across everything. We can't start with everything. We're starting with 10 areas and continuing to expand.And we need a lot of light and a lot of love and a lot of positive energy. We need your ideas about if you visit this place, what do you want to see?Because we just have us right now and we're willing to listen and again, willing to be changed.

What else?

Steps?

Well, she said basically, so I'm going.

To give you some response. Something that builds visibility. You're talking about visibility, accessibility and credibility. So you're trying to build, you know, it's.Everybody sees it, everybody can get there and use it, and everybody believes what they're saying. Okay. So each of those are separate. And, you know, the. The largest place of thing that people are using right now.People are AI ing things instead of googling them now. Right.Joy will go take a picture of our pantry and put it in AI and say, I want to make an Italian dish and say a few things that weren't there and say, give me a recipe. And it will do that. And so with that insanely level of developing skills, you need to. We need to figure out how to get you to be an AI result.So when people chatgpt something sage. Say the whole name again.

Sage Health Institute.

Sage Health Institute comes up. So that population needs to happen.And, you know, AI looks at the Internet and that means visibility in all of the medium that you guys know, Medium, social media, substack, all of the rest of those kinds of things. And if I were helping you, and I guess I am, I want you to be bold. People respond to clarity, even if they get mad at you. Yeah, yeah.If you don't have haters, you're not doing anything. So you just told me. This is the only thing that's happened like this in the world. This is the biggest thing that's happened in the world.This is going to change the world, and it's going to piss off siloed practitioners that think they're all that good. Talk about that in bold and clear terms.Write your LinkedIn articles and your substack articles and your medium things and your medical journals say clearly not the weasel words that most studies and claims are written in, because you're not doing that. You're not saying we've had 47 double blind studies where we stood on our head in the corner and proved this and that beyond any doubt.You're saying, saying we're offering something that's never been offered before to harmonize all of these different things, however weird you thought they were, give it a chance. And so if I were helping in my offer to you, I want you to be bold, I want you to be clear.I want you to say what you believe at the top of your lungs as you cut this episode up and use it for social media, as you take other places you're talking. I want you to get on as many shows as you can. And when you do it, I want you to 10 times the claims that you just made.And if you make people mad, I don't care. You don't care. Right.

We are not afraid.

Okay, then. Then do that in all the places. Stand and be bold. Use superlatives and invite people to challenge you. Invite people to investigate.Come and see boldly and clearly with both the practitioners and the recipients. And that's. What if I were doing this and I am, I'm building a university, ultimate life University.And I'm saying the same things, only it's different. I got four schools of this, that and the other. And I. I'm telling you, people are tired, they're jaded, they don't care.And you have a special advantage because the people that are looking for you first, your top tier, your low hanging fruit, they're desperate.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Because I know what Joy felt like and what she talked about and all these Facebook groups she joined and got out of later. But you know, they are desperate because they can't. They're standing outside the doctor's office and they can't this, that and the other.And so your love and invitation and you are both so credible. And there's three ways to create instant rapport. One is a shared experience. Two is a shared goal, and three is a shared worldview.You can create all three. Shared experience, shared goal and shared worldview.A world where this kind of level of information and potentially treatment and access is available. And so, you know, you can use all three of those to create rapport with both providers and people that need.And I don't usually spend podcast episodes given speeches, but I just did, so whatever.

And we. Yes.

So I love you guys. I love what you're doing, what you're about, and every breath that you take is blessed for your choice to add good to the world this way.I don't Want either of you to say I don't know to this question. I want to know what we didn't talk about that's on your heart that you would like to express to me and to the listeners.

I just need them to believe,.

To.

Dispel any potential fears, questions, worries they may have, and come at an experience, because that will answer all their questions.

Come and see. I love that, you guys. Listeners, you're invited to come and see. In five minutes, this will be live, and it will be what again?

Sage Institute.

Good. I wanted them to say it. Sage Health Institute. Is that all you have that's on your heart? Dibs.

I believe so.

All right, Carla, what's on your heart, your invitation, your final blessing and words of. Of love.

So right behind you, Kellen, there's a thing that says healing through love and caring. And this. This initiative, this collaboration, this partnership, this offering to the world is driven by love and caring.If it's true that healing is the application of love to the places that. That hurt, that's what we are about. And so my invitation is, have faith. Don't lose hope in a system that feels.Feels fragmented and broken, that something new is on its way that you can trust and. And. And don't lose faith. Don't let the machinery of our systems beat you down.Don't let the frustration of seeking some true healership have you sit down in despair. Yeah. Hope is still present, and love is always present.

Don't lose faith. You guys, I just want to really thank you for bringing your love, your wisdom, and your heart. Most of all, the truth.Because I have a sense of love, truth, invitation, and faith. And faith is simply the evidence of things that are hoped for in the substance of things not seen. Faith is not some other thing.It is the substance of things not seen. So I love that invitation. Thank you, Debs, for being here and sharing your heart.

It's been my pleasure. Thank you for hosting.

Carla, thank you for coming here and sharing your love and your heart.

It's my pleasure. It's an honor, really.

Thank you, listeners. I want you to take this to heart. Listen a couple of times. This is different than most episodes. There's.There's a thing in creation, and you're witnessing the birth of this thing, and it will be a global reach. And I know these two women, and they're doing this. It's happening. This is not some airy, fairy thing. It's happening.And what I want to also assure you is you listeners, you each have a gift that is worth sharing and needs to be added to the world.So take full advantage of the wonder and the joy and the encouragement you've received from these two talented, brilliant, beautiful women and maximize your own gifts at the same time as you move forward to create your ultimate life. Never hold back and you'll never ask why. Open your heart right here, right now. Your opportunity for massive growth is right in front of you.Every episode gives you practical tips and practices that will change everything. If you want to know more, go to kellenfluker media.com if you want more free tools, go here. Your ultimate Life ca Subscribe and you'll share.Stand with your heart in the sky and your feet on the ground.